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Greeting. I'm a victim. Want to raise awareness.

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White girl

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Hello everybody!

My handle is White girl. I'm writing a paper on DMT-induced psychosis and hope to find more information on this website.

Question: Do I need to use the phrase SWIM? Please let me know. I'll use it on this thread to be on safe side.

I knew about this site for a long time and learned a lot of stuff, but I've never known about the dark side of DMT until I witnessed it personally.

SWIM loved DMT, but after introducing DMT to someone very close to SWIM, he is going crazy on it, abusing DMT (smoking every 10 mins in excess). On top, he smokes cannabis and takes prescription Adderall daily. He even drives while smoking a DMT cartridge. Our marriage had been spiraling downhill since he got introduced to DMT.

I tried to study more about this subject, but it's very poorly studied. I want to contribute to an awareness that DMT may not be for everybody, especially those with a history (or family history) of schizophrenia, psychosis, and impulsiveness; who smoke cannabis and take Adderall with it.

I found a thread that discusses a similar case I witnessed, but it's hidden behind an attachment I cannot access.

I'm neither a medical professional nor good at writing, but I want to write a paper to contribute to an awareness of the dark side of DMT. It's not for everyone!

Good luck to me!
 
Let me start by saying I am sorry to hear.

I would guess there is not one member on this forum that would disagree that hallucinogens are not for everyone.

However, there is no 'dark' or even conversely a 'light' side to DMT, It is just that, DMT, a drug. And like all drugs it has it's advantages and disadvantages. Its risks and its rewards. In addition,
the Nexus community has whole health and safety page on this exact topic outlining some of these concerns including some anecdotal forum reports.

Unfortunately, at a societal and a genetic level there are some individuals prone to certain dispositions that put a small number of people at high risks of ailments including addictions, mental health issues, psychosis etc. There is still much to learn about hallucinogens including DMT and the safety around it, which is something this community strives for. However there is still quite a lot of available data about its known safety.

Having said that there is much we do know, we know many hallucinogens have be used for hundreds and some thousands of years, we known many studies outline hallucinogens including DMT is low risk of addiction, we know many hallucinogens including DMT has lower cause for psychosis compared to substances such as alcohol, amphetamines and even cannabis Transition of Substance-Induced, Brief, and Atypical Psychoses to Schizophrenia: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis. In fact data indicates that it can be mentally beneficial for a vast majority of people and even has an application for prehospital use in stroke cases (I'm sure there's more medical application unbeknownst to me). But I digress.

DMT is a sacred medicine to many due to its strong properties to evoke positive changes, however it is not with out it risks. physiologically it is a low risk drug but there are many factors out side the pharmacological effects that can cause DMT to have psychological risks including set, setting, dose, pre-existing conditions, genetic disposition and mixing of other substances. Which is often debated and or discussed on this site.

I do not want to take away from the seriousness of your situation and the effects DMT has had on your life and relationship but statistical I would think it would be classed as an isolated case. It would be like raising awareness for the 'dark' side of hormonal contraception because it kills 300-400 women in the US every year. It's a sad truth but it happens the risk is there but there are also many advantages to hormonal contraception. (This might not be the best example due to population usage between the two but you get my point). There are far worse legal substances than DMT.

If you want to raise awareness by all means do it but I would encourage you to try to stay objective and data driven as this would be a issue emotionally close to you.

I would also be curious to ask about the certainty it is DMT he is smoking, unusually to hear addiction related issues to it. Also I don't understand how it would be driving under the influence of DMT as it leaves you temporarily catatonic, (which is why I ask if it is in fact DMT). As you have eluded to, I think the idea of mixing substances is an important issue with hallucinogens. IME, I don't agree with mixing of certain substances. Which raises questions. Your partner is mixing Adderall an amphetamine with cannabis two substances with a higher risk of psychosis and addiction than DMT.

There are many factors to the case you have described. I hope though that the root to his compulsiveness to ingest so much DMT is uncovered and that he can find a better path to recovery as this is clearly a detrimental health issue (especially driving under the influence).

Also Welcome to the forum.
 
I saw a flowchart today that I think reflects what your husband is going through.

Psychedelics like DMT can open your mind to all kinds of new ideas, but to do this it takes down your natural filters and defenses. Usually people who take psychedelics talk about taking time to integrate your experiences, else you wind up in a feedback loop that induces psychosis.

Usually people who keep wanting to go back are doing it as an escape. Were there problems in his life before the dmt addiction?

If you could get him to stop hitting it for awhile, I suspect most of this would resolve itself within a week, though that is not an easy task. Especially if he feels his life is out of his control.

To add to what trip is saying, did you guys make that dmt vape, or buy it from somewhere? People are lacing everything with fentanyl these days, and that could certainly cause addiction.

Also, as far as awareness is concerned, the psychedelic community is well-aware of what can happen with latent mental illness/family history of mental illness. There's not much else to get out there on that subject. I think the main issue at this point is that it is illegal. Because of this, there is no responsible drug use education. Make it legal, make purchasing/using it require some basic education and/or screening.
 

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Hey White girl, welcome to the nexus!

_Trip_ said:
Let me start by saying I am sorry to hear.

I would guess there is not one member on this forum that would disagree that hallucinogens are not for everyone.

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Me too.

I'm sad for him spiralling, for your love of DMT being tainted by it, and of course for the pain this situation must be causing you.

I hope both of you find ways to wholeness and beauty again!

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If he's able to drive during the effects, he clearly isn't taking big enough hits. Maybe that's part of the problem. I feel like with 'real' hits of dmt, the frequency of use would self regulate after a while.

I often hear people say (about psychedelics in general) that smaller doses are worthless, missing the point or whatever. I disagree with that. I don't think we need to obliterate the ego or break through to 7-dimensional space every time. I feel like sub-breakthrough doses of DMT, as well as medium doses of LSD etc, have a lot of potential both for fun and for self development / healing.

However, i think that there are some risks specific to very low doses.
One of them is addiction, or something that looks like addiction. Unreasonably frequent use, maybe even dependency in the sense that the mood suffers when not taking the substance.
Another one is about mental health. With low doses, i see a risk of not getting there completely, and then not returning completely. I know that people sometimes don't fully return from stronger trips as well, but aiming for in-between is especially risky imo. Because when you don't fully return from a full trip, you notice something is off, and hopefully take a break. Whereas with very low doses, you may never really notice that there was a persistent shift at all.

In my view, the illusion of control has to be overcome, one way or another. That way, we're usually glad to come back, and stay here for some time before entering the other realms again.

These are just my thoughts, i don't know if there's consensus on this topic or what it is.

I'm not necessarily saying he should smoalk moar. It might be worth a try though if he won't slow down otherwise.

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About the SWIM phrase, you don't have to use it. In fact i think most would prefer if you didn't :)
 
I'm sorry to hear all that. No need for SWIM around here.

What you're describing is pretty unusual. I wouldn't say it's indicative of a "dark side of DMT" though, and I'm not sure you're a victim of anything.

As Trip mentioned, DMT isn't dark or light. It just is. If you choose to abuse it (and what you are describing is 100% abuse), it can certainly lead to bad places - and if you give it to someone with a family history of schizophrenia and psychosis (who you know has problems with impulsivity and takes adderall everyday), what exactly did you think would occur?

It all sounds scary and worrisome, I'm sorry. The driving is completely outrageous. I just hope he's pulled over and jailed before killing himself or someone else.
 
I like to say that nothing is all good and nothing is all bad: context dictates this subjectively in general.

DMT may be able to be viewed paradoxically, by being both neither light or dark while also being both the light and the dark.

I'm a frequent user for various reasons, but try to be extremely mindful and tread lightly in doing so. I make sure to take breaks, sometimes taking long breaks. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing, and reckless overuse can lead to delusion and a disconnect from the default mode network.

What does he say his reasons are for journeying so much?

I'm not a mental health professional, but as mentioned it sounds like escapist use which is indicative of some kind of psychological dissonance or trauma that is not being addressed. A therapist may come in handy.

It comes down to balance, which is different for each of us.

One love
 
I have had many dark experiences with DMT and used it compulsively for a short while when in the honeymoon period, until the tone of the experiences got too dark and I realized that I lack the proper respect in what I'm doing. I

Skillful use of DMT requires honesty and self-reflection. It's not a substance that you can just smoke like a joint to make you feel good. Using it like that can lead to really messy results.

I appreciate spreading proper respect for this molecule that is at it's best a very powerful medicine and sacrament for many people.

Edit: Reading your post again, my worst trips were the ones were cannabis induced paranoia got amplified by and mixed with the overwhelming DMT realms. This combination can be one source of the problems on top of the impulsivity.
 
Jacubey said:
To add to what trip is saying, did you guys make that dmt vape, or buy it from somewhere? People are lacing everything with fentanyl these days, and that could certainly cause addiction.
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Lacing anything with fentanyl is grounds for long term imprisonment with the other violent offenders in my book. But, especially someone lacing DMT. It’s beyond sad if that’s the world we live in now. I can see coke and meth and opiate dealers doing that. But DMT? Insert foul language. Do you happen to know of a documented account of this happening?
I don’t get the whole vape cartridge thing for spice. I hope that’s a phase that goes away. Something about it just seems…wrong. Inauthentic may be a better word.

Ashtray770- yes, I do. The name “white girl” and the title “I’m a victim” are big red flags to me. The beginning OP says “I’m writing a paper…” and at the end says “I want to write a paper” doesn’t add up.
Also, writing a paper about psychedelics not being for people with a history (or family history) of mental disorders isn’t much of a contribution as that’s bordering on mainstream knowledge these days.
No offense (if this isn’t a troll)
 
Ashtray770 said:
I hate to be this person but... does anyone else think this is a troll?
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Psychedelics have been demonized for a long time.
Right now their immense potential starts to get recognized.
This doesn't mean they're always good for everyone and in every situation, so we shouldn't dismiss anyone who has a bad experience with them.
 
Cosmic Giggle said:
Jacubey said:
To add to what trip is saying, did you guys make that dmt vape, or buy it from somewhere? People are lacing everything with fentanyl these days, and that could certainly cause addiction.
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Lacing anything with fentanyl is grounds for long term imprisonment with the other violent offenders in my book. But, especially someone lacing DMT. It’s beyond sad if that’s the world we live in now. I can see coke and meth and opiate dealers doing that. But DMT? Insert foul language. Do you happen to know of a documented account of this happening?
I don’t get the whole vape cartridge thing for spice. I hope that’s a phase that goes away. Something about it just seems…wrong. Inauthentic may be a better word.

Ashtray770- yes, I do. The name “white girl” and the title “I’m a victim” are big red flags to me. The beginning OP says “I’m writing a paper…” and at the end says “I want to write a paper” doesn’t add up.
Also, writing a paper about psychedelics not being for people with a history (or family history) of mental disorders isn’t much of a contribution as that’s bordering on mainstream knowledge these days.
No offense (if this isn’t a troll)
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Hope you dont mind, but I have a few comments about this.

In what way does it impact you if others use vape carts? In what way is it inauthentic, considering the process in which most of us use in order to obtain the molecule is also removed from any sort of standing tradition related to the molecule and is removed from things like spirituality (assuming this is the direction you were going with the statement)? Point being, regardless of cultures that have used entheogens for long periods of time, these molecules and compounds are what they are removed from how we feel about them, so no one has a monopoly on "right" ways of using them; they transcend us, how we use them, and what we think about them, though there may be some uses that are "better" than others.

Since we don't know if they're a troll or not, it may be best to not talk about them as if they won't see the post. It's a bit unwelcoming.

What's common or mainstream to one may not be so for another.

One love
 
White girl said:
I'm neither a medical professional nor good at writing, but I want to write a paper to contribute to an awareness of the dark side of DMT. It's not for everyone!

Good luck to me!
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It is very gracious of you to contribute to this forum.
Any contribution related to Health and Safety would benefit the community.
Starting a conversation is good.
 

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