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Concrescence

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Hello everyone. Been lurking around here for a month or so and posting a bit, so here's my introduction. My interest in DMT and other psychedelics started a few years ago, growing out of spiritual studies (Hinduism, Tibetan, Zen, and Mahayana Buddhism, Taoism, etc) and a personal non-drug induced awakening. I've only had one psychedelic experience (psilocybin) and it was about 3 years ago. Reading Strassman's book also furthered my interest, and I've been a big fan of Terence for a long time. So yeah I guess I'm just here to gather information. Very glad that this resource exists. Are there any other members from Virginia?
 
I'd be very curious to hear about your non- drug induced awakening. I know such things are possible but have never heard such a story straight from the horse's mouth.
 
Ah, it's quite a daunting task to try to explain in words. Much of this might sound fairly obvious so forgive me if I sound patronizing at all. I've tried to find ways to make sense of it, and there are quite a few metaphors that are applicable. In cultures where shamanism is practiced, there must be some kind of indicating factor in an individual for he/she to be selected as a candidate to be a shaman. However, it happens to individuals in all cultures, only in non-shamanic cultures, the individual does not, of course, become a shaman; rather, one of two things tends to happen. One is that the individual loses all grasp on reality and is labelled a schizophrenic. The other is that, in someone who has already dealt with sufficient isolation and is familiar with schools of thinking that are outside the western reductionist paradigm, the contents of the experience are sectioned off into one component of the personality while the other uses his/her familiar cultural paradigm as an anchor (for more on this concept, look into Robert Anton Wilson's Cosmic Trigger series and the idea of reality tunnels).

Lately I've been thinking about the categories of expressing what this experience is. So far I've come up with these categories: the poetic-mystical, the fundamentalist, the psycho-alchemical, the analytical, and the reductionist. The poetic-mystical is the expression of the experience through art and metaphor, think William Blake or Yogananda. This could even be broadened to included all inspired art or music. The fundamentalist is the traditional religious interpretation depending on what particular religion the individual is a part of - "God is speaking to me." The psycho-alchemical would include occult and magical thinking and its psychological interpretations as expressed in Jungian terminology. The analytical is something I've just scratched the surface of and can't say much about other than I feel like Hegel's ideas might be relevant. The reductionist is of course the scientific focus on aberrations in brain chemistry.

I can't say anything about which view is valid, I can just say that the experience is that of being not bound by culture, by physical body, by death. It might very well be something you have experienced; whether it was drug-induced or not isn't the most important thing to me - I'm of the "if it works, use it" mentality. It's hard for me to talk about because my skeptical side denies that what I'm talking about even existed at all - this duality is built into the nature of what I'm trying to describe. The closest thing I can relate it to is Carl Jung's The Red Book (the psycho-alchemical interpretation) but certain (Tibetan primarily) Buddhist concepts come close as well. The Bhagavad Gita was also crucial to the experience.

If I can distill it down to anything, its this: Envision everything that you want to be in life, everything that your ego would like to see itself as. Then, start going through your life as if you are, in fact, the opposite of this. This is why the alchemical metaphor is particularly useful. However, I don't advise anyone actually do this, because the trick is you have to really BELIEVE it, and the only thing that will get you through is the wisdom that you can use as an anchor on a very dark and foreboding sea - I believe it was Jung who referred to it as the "night sea journey." It's about being able to hold different reality tunnels (Robert Anton Wilson again) and dualities in some kind of balance, until the process has played itself out. And when it has, you'll find that some things about yourself have changed, and others have stayed very much the same, and whether to call this change "good" or "bad" becomes impossible, you've simply stepped up to another level, or even down a level, depending on which interpretation you use. I could say a lot more, but, its really just an ongoing process of trying to make sense of reality as a lived experience, I only used the term "awakening" in that poetic-mystical sense, referring to how dreams become clearer, the mind can separate from the body in sleep, synchronicities pile up, and a sense of peace lies warmly comforting beneath all mental activity. One also seems to become "eschatologized" as one has become familiar with the feelings which are likely to arise in the death process. The mushroom did play a part, but only once and towards the middle/end of the process, and probably had nothing to do with any of the odder occurrences. I never known what to mention and what not to mention as I never know what will seem familiar to people and what will seem totally nonsensical, so I guess I'll stop there.
 
Concrescence said:
look into Robert Anton Wilson's
think William Blake or Yogananda
as expressed in Jungian terminology
I feel like Hegel's ideas might be relevant
is Carl Jung's The Red Book
but certain (Tibetan primarily) Buddhist concepts come close as well
The Bhagavad Gita was also crucial to the experience, I should mention.
I believe it was Jung who referred to it as the "night sea journey." It's about being able to hold different reality tunnels (Robert Anton Wilson again) ......
Dear Concrescence,

That's an interesting read, for sure, and you mention some pretty big ideas, philosophies and psychologies with all those names above. However, you seem to mention the person or book without going into any of the substantive ideas behind them. I am interested to hear your own thoughts and ideas on what YOU experience. While I find Wilson, Jung, Blake, Hegel, Buddhists, Hindis, etc all pretty interesting it does not help convey what is in YOUR mind.

Welcome to the Nexus. I hope these tools can help aid your journey and understanding.

-a1pha
 
a1pha said:
Concrescence said:
look into Robert Anton Wilson's
think William Blake or Yogananda
as expressed in Jungian terminology
I feel like Hegel's ideas might be relevant
is Carl Jung's The Red Book
but certain (Tibetan primarily) Buddhist concepts come close as well
The Bhagavad Gita was also crucial to the experience, I should mention.
I believe it was Jung who referred to it as the "night sea journey." It's about being able to hold different reality tunnels (Robert Anton Wilson again) ......
Dear Concrescence,

That's an interesting read, for sure, and you mention some pretty big ideas, philosophies and psychologies with all those names above. However, you seem to mention the person or book without going into any of the substantive ideas behind them. I am interested to hear your own thoughts and ideas on what YOU experience. While I find Wilson, Jung, Blake, Hegel, Buddhists, Hindis, etc all pretty interesting it does not help convey what is in YOUR mind.

Welcome to the Nexus. I hope these tools can help aid your journey and understanding.

-a1pha

This is because all of these express ideas better than I can. What's in my mind right now is mostly confusion. It'd be more interesting if you'd asked me three years ago, when it was all fresh. I didn't go into detail because, as it seems your response confirms, most people are already familiar with the people and books I mentioned.

I see it as a problem for me to use past experiences as platform for future growth, it feels like regression, it takes me out of the moment.

In fact the very idea you address about what is in MY mind as opposed to the minds of others is what I've been thinking about lately. It is of course, up to the individual to make sense of reality. But new information is always coming in, worldview is continually shifted between polarities. My inner sense of things is anti-existentialist, I prefer to view the universe as an ever-complexifying ascent into higher awareness, but my own consciousness is quite grounded in physical reality. I am firmly an empiricist and I don't like to make assertions beyond what I have evidence for.

If there is any specific concept I mentioned that you wish for me to elaborate on, I would be glad to.

Thanks for the welcome! I've already greatly enjoyed my conversations here.
 
Just reading this post sound very similar to experiences I have had. No mushrooms or anything like that. When I first started what I would call interpreting my reality differently I was presented with what I might call God, or maybe the Devil, whatever it was was beyond me. During this time period I had extreme highs and extreme lows. I was going crazy and at the same time I wasn't. It was as if my mind had been opened up and I was running around in the new space like a chicken with its head cut off not knowing what to make of it. Some experience were like synchronicity but instead of a something that could be chalked up as a coincidence, I feel there was literally a communication between my thoughts and the world. One of the most profound and mind blowing things that happened to me was the TV talking to me. Which obviously sounds stupid and crazy and your on drugs. However, when I first told my self oh shit the tv is talking to me I then told myself you are crazy lets be logical here and immediately the TV had a response that said I wasn't. This type of thing happens to me all of the time now. For example just the other day I was talking to whatever is out there to see if I could have a sign, (despite numerous past confirmations) I tried to listen to the first thing that came to my mind which for whatever reason was the word count. Instead of trying to interpret it like I usually would I just started counting. 1...then i lifted my vision which landed on the side of the building i was walking towards right where there was a number 2. not a bunch of numbers and i saw a 2. a single 2 written on some plastic thing coming out of the building. I looked around and there were no other numbers. This is just something recent I can remember and not as out there as some of my other experiences which include the sounds from outside and pipes in the wall banging loud and creating a perfect rythm together slowly morphing into a beautiful song that frankly scared the shit out of me. I guess what I am trying to say is there is definitely something out there or in my mind maybe that transcends our laws of reality. and that by seeking with the right intentions will reveal itself as you are ready. The experiences I have had me think things like I have superpowers, my friend is jesus and i have been chosen to spread his love, i am about to die and go to hell, most of the time I am overwhelemd and confused so I tend to go back to "regular" thinking. But if you simply start to let your mind experiment with the possibilities of the infinite you might find something that you will believe 100% but even your best friend would think you are crazy or just brush it off like nothing happened. SOMETHING IS HAPPENING. I am not sure what but I can't continously deny the most amazing and real experiences I have had because they don't fit into what I thought before they happened. Sorry for typos even though theres spellcheck.
 
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