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Hard, hard trip. Could use some love.

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pilotsimone

brooke
01.13.11
3g Syrian Rue/60mg freebase


I do not feel good writing this trip report. Yesterday was an incredibly hard trip for me. One I was NOT expecting, but then again the hard ones probably never are.


I go in with the intention to heal and release old energy. Whatever serves my highest good and the highest good of all.

I have every reason to believe this trip will be pleasant, Chris had just done it several days before. He said the coming on was gentle and it was easy to work with the medicine. So, I’m as optimistic as can be going in.

At the 1.5 hour marker, the nausea started in and I get the sense the trip is moving dark. My instincts kick in and I completely panic. I try vomiting several times out of desperation. No such luck, just some painful dry heaves. At this point, I realize I'm going somewhere I did not intend. I’ve visited darkness briefly on Ayahuasca, but nothing like this trip is promising.

Chris sets me up in a chair in the living room with a few blankets and a bucket. The rest is a nightmare.

An endless cycle. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over…

I open my eyes to the same moment in my living room . The light makes me remember I’m on a trip. Nausea kicks in and I purge. The purging sends me spiraling downward into these deep dark caverns inside of me. Places I realize I’ve been visiting all throughout childhood (and I suspect adulthood dreamspace). I'm wallowing in a pool of blood, vomit, phlegm, shit, pus…surrounded and immersed in torture, rape, incest, war, PAIN. It was the most primitive place I’ve ever known. MEAT was very symbolic of this place. As if the darker the being, the more meat being consumed.

These caverns are places I’ve hidden away the painful events I’ve endured throughout my lifetimes. All physical incarnations (of which there were hundreds). That was my understanding. They were visited often by me as a child, but my conscious mind would bury the memories immediately. I never remembered. So, only when I visited would I remember all the times before. This time I was conscious. This time I was going to remember and bring it back into my waking life. No more burying. I was told very specifically…THIS IS DUALITY LEAVING YOU.

I’m going through this completely conscious and ALONE. No guidance, no love (at least from my perspective during the trip). And strangely, there is more than one perspective of myself going through it. One self who is enduring all the physical and emotional pain and another self who is observing and trying to find a way out. Several dimensions are being shown to me at the same time, so I’m incredibly disoriented.

My sensitivity to my surroundings goes wild. Chris can’t come near me. I keep telling him to get further and further away (even though my eyes are closed under a blanket). It was torturing me when he came near. I also asked all beings who were coming in to LEAVE. I was very adamant. The pain of having anyone near me was unbearable. The cat walking through almost killed me.

It is very clear to me I’m on my own. I’ve been dropped into a foreign and extremely hostile environment and my body/mind has absolutely no idea what to do. I feel very much like a rabid, caged animal. All animal instincts kick in. I am a beast, not human.

Then I wake up to the same moment in time in my living room. The light makes me purge. And so the cycle goes again. It feels like hundreds of times over. I fear this trip will take years (I have a vision of the Inception movie).

I have one brief moment of peace each cycle. Lasting a few seconds. During this peace, I understand my lesson. I have to control my thoughts. I have to control my thoughts. I have to control my thoughts. For months my sensitivity has been increasing (I’m an empath). I know I need to figure out a way to deal, or I won’t survive. I know this. I need to get this. I need to control my thoughts and I need to learn how to keep people’s energy out of my space. I’m a fucking sponge. I feel everything. I just can’t take the pain of it anymore, even though I want to help others. Even my husband and kids have become a challenge in recent weeks.

I needed this trip to force me to learn on a very basic level. I know this.

God, there was NO SURRENDERING to this thing. The less I resisted the more pain I felt. The more I resisted, the more pain I felt. There was never more than those few seconds of peace. Chris said this went on for three hours.

Finally, I come out of it. It feels like coming out of anesthesia. I’m finally able to focus my eyes without spiraling. I call Chris over and immediately break down. I lived every nightmare I can possibly imagine. This is by far the hardest thing I’ve ever gone through and I’m completely exhausted mentally and physically.

At this moment I feel powerful. I feel excited. I made it. I survived! Incredibly ecstatic. And like a previous big trip, I come back with this amazing feeling that more of myself has entered my body. Very masculine feeling. I am literally a NEW animal. Keen cat-like senses and something very reptilian-ish going on (that I cannot explain).

/end trip



Today is the next day. Today I’ve had two breakdowns and my anxiety is causing me great panic. I’m not used to this level of anxiety and my sensitivity is again through the roof. I’m traumatized by this trip right now. I just cannot express to you the terror I feel when my mind starts going there. I don’t want to bury the memory of this trip, but I DO want to let it go and move out of me.

Please tell me this will integrate and I will be fine. I feel so alone. I’m a giant exposed nerve in every sense. Cannibas is helping some.

Have I done it? Have I gone too far? Every instinct I have says this is a transition period for me, but I am a wreck looking for a sliver of relief.

Thanks for reading.
 
YOU WILL INTEGRATE AND YOU WILL BE OK :)

Just take it easy for a while. Give it time. Take hot baths and try to exercise and eat healthy.

Hope you'll be through this soon.
Good luck, and talk to us here on the Nexus. Many people here have been through rough times (most of us). You'll be stronger when you're through.
 
Something that has given me strength in such a situation:
Pema Chödrön said:
Only to the extent that we expose ourselves over and over to annihilation can that which is indestructible be found in us.
You will integrate, you will continue to learn. :)
 
Much Love to You pilotsimone,

Just a couple of thoughts to share with you sister and needless to say it's all just personal opinion:

1.) IMHO Syrian rue is poison. I have been informed by someone I trust that it has a large number of toxic elements that have nothing to do with harmine, harmaline, etc. These elements create what I not so eloquently refer to as "the mind fuck." I would suggest that in the future, you might want to choose a different MAOI, such as Banisteriopsis Caapi or extracted alkaloids from one of these (S. Rue or B. Caapi). I suspect that you may find it to be very helpful in removing the dark energy and the heaviness of the purge.

2.) In my view you can speed healing by being kind to yourself. I felt that DMTripper had really, really good advice. It is what I do when I get "bitch slapped" by the molecule :shock: . How about allowing yourself some real time to integrate before going back into hyperspace? This was a heavy, "hard" and difficult experience. I would recommend that you give yourself time to mull it over, figure out what it means to you, see if there was anything that might have been done differently (set/setting?), etc. I sincerely feel that giving yourself time without going right back in will help to bring the integration you seek IMHO.

3.) I would like to recommend a book to you, given some of the content of the trip that you shared with us. Though a bit dense psychologically (very well written, researched & referenced) I feel it is wort the time: "LSD Psychotherapy," by Stanislov Grof.

I would give you a giant hug if I could. We all love you and many of us have been down the road you just tread, though everyone's path is different, I would be the first to admit.

If you are feeling the need for additional community and support, please join us in the chat room. Should be jumping this weekend.

Peace & Love,
Pandora
 
Thank you for your quick and thoughtful responses.

When I was coming out of the trip I asked Chris to look me in the eyes and think of every beautiful thing about me. I needed his energy to be uplifting...to build me up. Even though he wasn't talking.

Yes, this feels good. Your energy is wonderful.
 
So glad that you made it through and were able to share this experience with us. Can't really give any better advice than has already been shared. Would only second Pandora's feelings on rue; the only journeys as dark as you've described came from rue for me.

Thank you.
 
love and gratitude dearest one. love and gratitude...

like my sister pandora, i agree that rue is a tough one. i've only worked with it a couple times via tea and it simply does not have the love and compassion that caapi has. caapi is the queen, pure and simple. the gentleness (even during the hard ones) is unrivaled.

take as much time as your heart and mind need to integrate this deep lesson. it sounds like you were most certainly taken to your (then current) limits.

those limits have expanded now but until you truly know this on all levels, i would suggest doing some meditating on this experience (cannibis can really help here).

stay strong....the way water is strong.

L&G!!
 
From your post it's clear you are amazing and strong. Seems you have lots to integrate. Be kind to yourself. All things must pass.
 
I second Pandora's recommendation of Stan Grof's book LSD Psychotherapy. Some of the things you described sounds eerily similar to what he describes in that book (a deepening of the process from the experience of repressed personal memory constellations through reliving of various parts of basic perinatal matrices to various transpersonal experiences like past-life incarnation memories).

It's so unfortunate that we often have to tread on this path alone, without any professional help whatsoever. It would be so nice if society was supportive, if doctors actually knew about the mechanics of this psychological uncovering process and helped us get through it to liberation instead of ignorantly "freezing" us in the middle with the administration of tranquillizers.
 
Pandora said:
1.) IMHO Syrian rue is poison. I have been informed by someone I trust that it has a large number of toxic elements that have nothing to do with harmine, harmaline, etc. These elements create what I not so eloquently refer to as "the mind fuck."

Syrian rue goes OFF the list
 
the_ki said:
Syrian rue goes OFF the list
The Manske extraction removes many of the compounds that Pandora refers to, so Rue can still be a great source for harmalas. Also, rue is traditionally used as an abortifacient, so it may have more negative effects on females.
 
Was walking the dog this morning with many things on my mind and recalled this Zen practice: just take one step at a time with total awareness put into each step. Go slow, and repeat over and over until you get where you're going. Or better, just repeat, without going anywhere in particular. Of course, the dog is optional. Worth a try!

Scaled up, and this practice is a way of going through a tough day or time in your life. It leaves an calming afterglow, kind of like what can be experienced the next day after an evening of sipping caapi tea.
 
Rue is not toxic it is healing medicine at its finest!
I eat the whole seeds or swallow the powder often with no problems, in fact I feel wonderful after consuming syrian rue, and if I just take rue with no dmt containing brew, i feel absolutely 0 naseua off of the seeds...
It was the freebase DMT that sent your trip spiralling IMO, If your interested in oral dmt, why not use a natural ayahuasca or mimosa brew?

Form your own opinions about plants, do not write a plant off because someone thinks its poison and there friend told them its toxic... (total bullshit)

I can tell you from FIRST HAND experience rue is a wise teacher worthy of deep exploration.

Again don't blame the plant, its usually user error. and some plants arent for everyone, but that doesn't mean there not amazing plants.
Be respectful of them.

Syrian rue is poison pssshhhhhhhhh
 
also about removing the "dark energy and negativity of the purge"

Why would you want that? I use whole plant material so that i DO purge.

The purge is the most amazing part of an aya or analougous experience and you feel so much better afterwards!

If you had taken a mimosa tea instead of freebase, you probably wouldve purged nicely instead of just dry heaving

Not to mention the aspects of the purge I cant explain to you,

Your purging more than crap from your stomach man you purge your soul.

The purge is not to be feared and avoided. You want the purge!
 
Harmalosa said:
Syrian rue is poison pssshhhhhhhhh
Similarly, apart from containing high amounts of B-carboline alkaloids, Syrian rue seeds also contain significant levels of the uterotonic quinazoline alkaloids vasicine (peganine) and vasicinone, accounting for ethnomedicinal use of these seeds as an abortifacient.

Not knocking on rue, but yes, it is toxic.
 
Eden said:
Harmalosa said:
Syrian rue is poison pssshhhhhhhhh
Similarly, apart from containing high amounts of B-carboline alkaloids, Syrian rue seeds also contain significant levels of the uterotonic quinazoline alkaloids vasicine (peganine) and vasicinone, accounting for ethnomedicinal use of these seeds as an abortifacient.

Not knocking on rue, but yes, it is toxic.
You might want to look at this thread: whats wrong with rue?, and in particular at this post.
 
I wish I knew what to say...

Years ago, a negative LSD experience pushed me into a very anxious place -- there I remained for weeks. But eventually all fear was totally overcome, and I became stronger than I was before the journey.

Trust in the power of your mind and body. If you are wounded you WILL heal...



Thank you SO much for sharing. <3
 
The darkest, worst experiences that Aya has given me have generally, in the end, been the most useful. Sometimes integration does take some time.

Rue, to me, just doesn't have the guiding and motherly love that I feel when I use Caapi. Rue feels more like, "well here we are, best of luck to you."

Also, Caapi usually produces a shorter experience, so if it's a horrible one, it's not three hours of hell, but 30min-1hr (peak).

Sending you massive love.

BTW, controlling your mind is the hardest thing a human can do. Massive props if you attempt it.
 
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