Harmala freebase and mushroom tea

[Gone-and-Back]

I was going to be making some mushroom tea in the weeks to come, since this is my usual way of ingestion. I also just did a rue extraction, which is still in the process, and was going to freebase the alks to get rid of salt weight. This led me to thinking...

Could one simply add these freebase alks into the mushroom tea to achieve an MAOI+mushroom experience? I know people say to consume it before the mushrooms, which is what I have always done in my attempts at Psilohuasca before. It always worked with good effects, stronger then what it should of been with no MAOI. (Was just rue boiled down to a tar).

Since mushrooms do not require MAOI's to be orally active, I assume that even a smaller amount of harmalas would potentiate the experience significantly. But would this work if they were just added into the tea instead of being taken 20 minutes prior to the tea? If added to the tea, what would be a good amount in mg's of harmalas for a noticeably different experience? I know about 150mg of rue alks is about a full dose of MAO inhibition for most people, correct me if I am wrong here.

If this is right, then would about 50mg provide a decent amount of MAO inhibition and alter the mushroom experience? Or should I shoot for more in the tea (or before the tea)? Mind you this is probably going to be consumed in nature with the intent of walking around, so this is why I do not aim for full MAO inhibition and possible purging.

Thanks for tips in advance guys.

 

[universecannon]

Yes, all of that will work. You can even take harmalas a few hours into the experience and feel the synergy- even at lower amounts.

The dosage is entirely up to you and what your aiming for. But be aware that when mixing harmalas with your normal dose of mushrooms, you do NOT want to use the same amount of harmalas that you would use for pharmahuasca because it will probably be way too much. I'd start a lot lower than 150mg personally, but everyones different and it depends on the mushroom amount/individual sensitivity/etc.

Overdoing this combination can be a nausea filled schizophrenic hell for me, but when done carefully its really great. :d Personally i like taking the harmalas an hour after i take the mushrooms, and only a mild dose of harmalas. But my best experiences with this have just been through smoking 10x caapi leaf bong hits while peaking on mushrooms. I was so at home and in an ecstacy of maniacal laughter, aahhhh...Anywho I've also had good experiences with eating a small dose of mushrooms with a stronger dose of caapi or rue

Just play around with the dosages and ways of doing it and you'll find what works for you

Also, this isn't a combo i'd recommend for walking around in nature, as you said. If your going to do that, then i'd just make sure you keep the harmala amount especially low..and i'd probably dose the harmalas after the mushrooms hit

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Thank you Universecannon. That is why I was thinking of keeping the harmalas low, because I wanted to walk around in nature. If I take them after the mushrooms though, does this really make that much of a difference? I figured that the actives in the mushrooms would already be metabolized by the MAO in the gut, so why take the MAOI after this has happened?

If thats what you suggest, I shall try that out along with taking them before or together with the mushrooms during different occasions. If one produces less nausea, then that would be preferable for walking around in nature and hiking. Im sure that would be smoking them during the peak, which can be done easily with a simple infusion.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[Pup Tentacle]

I've done a little experimentation with mushrooms and harmalas. I usually take the harmalas and then munch the shrooms about an 30 minutes later. I also, often smoke changa on the comedown. All shrooms mentioned are p. cubensis.

When I want to take the chitin out of the picture for tummy's sake, I usually lemon-tek the fungus and then make lemonade with the goodie infused juice.

The first time was about 150mg of impurish harmalas and 2g of lemon-tekked cubes. It made 2g seem like 7g. There was a 15 minute period where I was body-less, floating in a void. My consciousness was the only thing that existed in the universe.

The rest of the trip was of good intensity, very characteristic of shroomy trickery (but fun). The comeup was like 20-25min with things getting pretty weird by the 1 hour mark. Purple and pink goo dripped from the sky and everything had a jelly-ish sheen. Overall a great time - more intense that expected but we had a spot to retreat to so it was all good.

The other two times worth mentioning were both about 100mg full spectrum Harmala HCL and 2 grams of shrooms but neither of these times were they lemon-tekked.

One was the most beautiful psychedelic experience I've ever had. Formless, my being was so filled with love that I felt guilty having it all for myself, I felt it should be shared... that there was infinite love for EVERYONE.

The other was one of the more difficult shroom trips I've had. Dealing with relationship woes, personal defeats and ignorances. I couldn't get physically comfortable to save my life the whole trip and I spent a lot of it sobbing as I struggled to understand some very real life shortcomings that I have. Hellish - yes, but invaluable, deep, and immeasurably helpful - wouldn't trade that experience for anything, but it wasn't fun.

Hope this helps a little... things can get more intense than expected, so my only advice would be to prep for that going in and reduce the amt of shrooms you're going to eat by a bit commensurate with the dose of harmalas. My stomach is a trooper, so I just get my average trippin' burps and toots, but I know larger doses of harmalas can really mess up my lady's stomach - especially mixed with shrooms.

Good Luck and Blessings, :thumb_up:

PT

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Thanks Pup.

Have you ever taken just 40-50mg of harmala alks and eaten shrooms with that? That is more of what I am aiming for here. But I dont know if that will make much of a difference, however since psilocybin is active anyways I am sure even a little inhibition will change things?

 

[adam]

If you are trying to actually walk around/ hike then what you are doing is a good idea, but for me when I add harmalas into the mix I just want to lay down. I drank 100mg harmala freebase in my tea with the shrooms and it definitely enhanced the shrooms a lot, I planned on walking around in nature as well and I ended up just laying on a rock the whole time pretty much:grin: . Anyways depends on how sensitive you are and your bodyweight. For me 40-50mg would be a very low dose but if you want to be active that sounds appropriate. Also with shrooms I just add harmalas right into the tea and still seems to be effective. Also get some ginger drops or something to suck on, they are cheap and will greatly help the unwanted nausea that comes with this mix, ime anyways. Good Luck.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Thank you adam. I have ginger pills actually that I continue to take throughout the experience. Harmalas or not. Always nice to have.

As far as nausea with this mix, I have consumed 3.5g of rue before with 2 grams of mushrooms, and did not have to much nausea compared to normal mushrooms. Although this was before my problems with IBS started

 

[Pup Tentacle]

Have you ever taken just 40-50mg of harmala alks and eaten shrooms with that?

I haven't dosed the harmalas that low... but that's probably not a bad place to start

 

[universecannon]

Thank you Universecannon. That is why I was thinking of keeping the harmalas low, because I wanted to walk around in nature. If I take them after the mushrooms though, does this really make that much of a difference? I figured that the actives in the mushrooms would already be metabolized by the MAO in the gut, so why take the MAOI after this has happened?

If thats what you suggest, I shall try that out along with taking them before or together with the mushrooms during different occasions. If one produces less nausea, then that would be preferable for walking around in nature and hiking. Im sure that would be smoking them during the peak, which can be done easily with a simple infusion.

Thanks for the advice.

Its not really about the gut here. Even if, for example, you smoke dmt and then smoke an maoi right after, there will be an effect on the trip and an increased duration. Not to mention harmalas are already psychedelic in their own right

IME eating the harmalas once the trip is already going reduces the risk of nausea and intensity as opposed to taking them at the same time. Smoking them is also a good idea, since if there is nausea it won't last as long.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Thank you Universecannon. That is why I was thinking of keeping the harmalas low, because I wanted to walk around in nature. If I take them after the mushrooms though, does this really make that much of a difference? I figured that the actives in the mushrooms would already be metabolized by the MAO in the gut, so why take the MAOI after this has happened?

If thats what you suggest, I shall try that out along with taking them before or together with the mushrooms during different occasions. If one produces less nausea, then that would be preferable for walking around in nature and hiking. Im sure that would be smoking them during the peak, which can be done easily with a simple infusion.

Thanks for the advice.

Its not really about the gut here. Even if, for example, you smoke dmt and then smoke an maoi right after, there will be an effect on the trip and an increased duration. Not to mention harmalas are already psychedelic in their own right

IME eating the harmalas once the trip is already going reduces the risk of nausea and intensity as opposed to taking them at the same time. Smoking them is also a good idea, since if there is nausea it won't last as long.

In regards to smoking, how long does this usually last? Not just the nausea, but the experience in general?