Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue questions

[Gone-and-Back]

There is a tek on the wiki that describes using water that is super saturated with salt to bring out the crystals. It says to use rock salt because it has no iodine in it, for the iodine must ruin the product somehow. Instead of using rock salt, would it be ok to use sea salt? There is no iodine that is added to most sea salt, and if there is any it is clearly marked as such.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Also, in the last step where the crystals and grunge are disolved into methyl or ethyl alcohol to do the final separation, can this be done using IPA?

 

[Infundibulum]

You can use sea salt, no problem for Manske precipitation. You can even use table salt.

Also, in the last step where the crystals and grunge are disolved into methyl or ethyl alcohol to do the final separation, can this be done using IPA?

Please link us to the tek as this would make it easier to give advice.

IPA usually is the next best thing if no methyl or ethyl alcohol are available

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

This is the tek I was looking at.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

What form of salts are the harmalas in from doing this process?

 

[iracema]

chlorhydrate salt, the sodium go for the acetate and leave the chloride to bind with the harmalas.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

the sodium go for the acetate and leave the chlorine to bind with the harmala.

I do not understand what you mean by this. Could you explain more?

 

[Vodsel]

Salt is sodium chloride, and in water solution it breaks down to Na+ and Cl- ions. When the water/acetic acid/harmalas solution is saturated with salt, the sodium binds to the acetate ions forming sodium acetate and the chloride binds to the harmalas forming for instance harmine chlorhydrate, which precipitates out of the aqueous solution as it cools off.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

So the end salts that precip out will be HCL salts? Are these active sublingual at all? Or does it work better to freebase the harmalas? I plan on washing the HCL with ammonia to clean it up and freebase it.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Also, is the HCL form active through smoking it or vaporization? Or is that only possible with freebase alkaloids?

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Your last questions are easily answered with some minor reading in the harmala section

Yes, hcl salts.
Yes, active sublingual, look through the harmala subforum for more info.
Better is a function of purpose and is therefore inherently relative, look in the harmala subforum for more info.
Sodium carbonate > ammonia, imo, if you're worried about lye (which is fine too, ime).
Don't smoke salts.

 

[Infundibulum]

the sodium go for the acetate and leave the chlorine to bind with the harmala.

I do not understand what you mean by this. Could you explain more?

also check this post for more detailed explanation

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Well I did the manske extraction last night and left the container in the fridge over night to cool off and precip out the goodies...However, I did not get all that much it looks like.

The solution is still a very dark color all throughout, which indicates there is still possibly alks left in the solution, no? There is a small layer of solids that formed on the bottom of the jar, but I was under the assumption that the jar would acquire two layers of liquid, one lighter on top and another darker on the bottom with all the solids. Did I do something wrong? Should I do another salt water addition to the harmala water and let cool again?

This is what the jar looks like now after cooling in the fridge for 8 hours.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

How exactly would one freebase the alks using sodium carbonate as well? I imagine disolve it into water and add that solution to the water/vinegar/harmala HCL solution? I imagine the water needs to be hot to properly dissolve both the salts and the sodium carbonate? Also, I heard you can make sodium carbonate out of heating up baking soda for a while. Is this true?