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Has anyone tried Butane/Propane pulling for MHRB?

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It works like a charm for cannabinoid extractions, but then again cannas are naturally non-polar.

I figure if this could work, it may solve the low surface area problems of DMT dry techs. This would also immensely simplify the entire extraction procedure/equipment.

Step 1
Wet MHRB + CaOH. Let sit at least 24hrs

Step 2
Spread out and dry the powder

Step 3
Shove into length of pvc piping, like those used for Butane Honey Oil.

Step 4
Discharge a can of butane into the piping (in a properly ventilated environment of course!).

Step 5
Collect the nonpolar materials that have been separated

NOTE: I am aware that this could be pure folly, but if no one's given this a shot I may just have to.
 
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if you want to wait for the wet bark to dry, have fun.
Seems like it is plausible.

But:
1:the temp of the butane might be a factor, DMT might not be soluble at those low temps

2:I`m pretty sure you can`t freezer precipitate the product, which from experience creates a FAR FAR purer product

3:if you have tried Noman`s STB tek, that seems like quite a bit more work.

Cheers, your thinking out of the box anyway :p
 
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Seems to me that the shorter you go on alkane chains, the lower the solubility of DMT in the solvent drops. Eg. heavy naphta pulls more alkaloids per volume than lighter naphta. So butane or propane might not pull all that much.
 
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dread said:
Seems to me that the shorter you go on alkane chains, the lower the solubility of DMT in the solvent drops. Eg. heavy naphta pulls more alkaloids per volume than lighter naphta. So butane or propane might not pull all that much.
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This is what my main concern is, but gaseous solvent extractions do work in a different way from liquid solvent extractions. Perhaps even with a lower solubility, the gas would still be strong enough to "push" the DMT (and maybe j-spice) out.

There's only one way to find out I guess... I'll do a test run on 1oz and if it don't work I'll just add that oz to Jorkest's d-limo approach.
 
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This won't work... unless you have a huge amount of butane. That could result in you burning down your bike, your kid sister, and the shanty you live in ;-)
And it will make a big mess. Good idea though, I hadn't thought of it.
 
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it won't work because you need to lyse the cells, hence hydrolysis with strong base (CaOH is not a strong base) or acid.

THC is in the trichromes (exterior of the flower buds), so pulling with butane works easily. with MHRB, you need to break into the cell walls to get to the dmt.

hot alcoholic (or even hot water) extraction would work too, as the cells would eventually be lysed by excessive hypertonicity (this would take a while)
 
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benzyme said:
it won't work because you need to lyse the cells, hence hydrolysis with strong base (CaOH is not a strong base) or acid.

THC is in the trichromes (exterior of the flower buds), so pulling with butane works easily. with MHRB, you need to break into the cell walls to get to the dmt.
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My friend BENZ is right again butane extracted cannabis is the best cleanest you will get. It blows bubble hash or hand rubed/or screened hash away. NO comparison.

Honey oil is the shit
You can also VERY easily burn or blow yourself up.

So LEARN basic chemistry procedures! OR dont extract in the kitchen.

PS I have dropped transparent DMT xtals into liquid butane what happens?

Nothing the DMT just sits there in solution even if crushed and stirred.
 
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that butane must be really pressurized to be liquid, in which case, DMT will not be soluble in it at all.
so yeah...good point.


even heptane must be heated to get dmt to go into solution, which is why it's used to recrystallize it.

what would be interesting to test is an SFE (supercritical fluid extraction) on MHRB (hint: butane is NOT really a supercritical fluid).
 
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benzyme said:
that butane must be really pressurized to be liquid, in which case, DMT will not be soluble in it at all.
so yeah...good point.


even heptane must be heated to get dmt to go into solution, which is why it's used to recrystallize it.

what would be interesting to test is an SFE (supercritical fluid extraction) on MHRB (hint: butane is NOT really a supercritical fluid).
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Butane is stable as a liquid at about 30F at atmospheric pressure. So you must work with temps below 30F or so and treat it just like any other highly volatile solvent.(like true ether)

It will also ignite at that temp and QUICKLY warm its self into a MUSHROOM FLAME CLOUD been there seen it done the experiment.:lol:

I do agree with my friend BENZ that it is not supercritical extraction.
Its just a DAMN good solvent soak extraction for fats and oils.
It WILL exclude all water and anything dissolve in water so it makes a SWEET fat extract without water born contaminates.
The water is frozen in biomass along with anything in it another reason it works so well for Fats and Oils.....NOT alkaloids

I use a common mason jar with biomass and solvent cooled to 15F or so.

I also boil off the solvent at room temp and recover the condensed solvent from coils of plastic tubing in my freezer.

NO SPARKS

I have a steady hand and clear understanding before I attempt anything. Danger is no issue when you understand.:lol:

If you have the know how and gear for supercritical extraction use CO2 it wont explode but forget about alkaloids fats and oils is all you can extract. You can defat but its a waste when conventioional solvents are cheaper and less likely to get you SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES.



PEACE
MV

PS what up with elementary gas extraction ?

Check out the many tried tested and true extraction methods on this site thats why they are here and many to choose from no reason to start your own propane extraction anyway lets leave the propane and propane accessories to Hank Hill.8)
 
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