Has anyone tried cooling the black stuff and heating the clear stuff when mixing them?

[Thehogg]

I mean, I just got to thinking the clear stuff is able to dissolve more when it’s warm. I would also suspect that crystallization would be greater if the black stuff was cold. Obviously it’s put in the freezer as part of most techs.

I’ve frozen the black stuff and you can see yellow blobs in it

 

[redbird]

I can only assume you mean cooling the water layer and heating the solvent layer.

Heating the solvent is commonly recommended though one much act swiftly (though carefully to avoid emulsion) to mix before the water layer cools it back down.

Some teks recommend heating the water layer also but recent developments in the minimum polymer branch of technique research have shown that cooler base soup temps are one of the factors in reducing polymer formation.

That said, I've never seen cooling the water layer below room temperature recommended and I would assume it's not a good idea because it would slow down the movement of molecules from the water and the thermal capacity of water is such that it would further accelerate the cooling of the solvent, negating the benefit of heating it.

You certainly could do that experiment though. We'd love to have the data!

 

[fractals4life]

IMHO the water layer has so much more heat capacity than the comparatively small amount of solvent, that it seems useless to heat the solvent, because it will be at soup temperature pretty much as soon as you mix it.

Chilling the soup layer would cause the solvent to be chilled very fast and then it can't hold as much DMT.

I go with a gentle water heat bath for the soup as it definitely gets a more saturated solution when using heptane, but it does produce a more yellow product (which is still just as effective as the whiter crystals in my experience ).

 

[Ernestine]

If you are doing multiple pulls you can do room temp for the first and second pulls to try to obtain a whiter product if this interests you, then warm it for later pulls to extract the maximum remaining DMT from the solution.

 

[Thehogg]

Thanks for the replies! Those are things I really didn’t think of.

It came to me because I had some of the water in the solvent I sucked off and put it in the freezer for the heck of it and that black stuff didn’t freeze, but it became less mobile and I was able to tilt the glass enough to dump the solvent all out without black stuff in it, but now I wonder how much fell out of solution. The solvent remained very mobile. I just knew there wasn’t enough goo water left to take back ALL the spice. Like 1/20th the solvent.

Let’s think about this. The spice is pulled out of the cells, lysis, crenation, whatever it is. Once it’s out, it’s not going back in. The cells been pierced or damaged and released it. No matter what temp the water is, the spice is either in the water sol or it’s frozen and drops out (it looks like the sky at night when you freeze it btw. Little yellow “stars” everywhere that melt when you touch them).

I have frozen the water before just to see what it would do. It looked like the stars in the sky at night. Little yellow balls in the black darkness. But you can’t get them out cause they just melt when you touch them. I I’m assuming that was the End product precipitating or something whatever you call it, dropping out a solution at a low temperature. That’s why I started thinking hitting it with a hot solvent. If that really was dropping out of solution, I wonder if he did it at a different temperature like before the water froze?