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HBWR, D. Stramonium, THH, Changuar, Mapacho

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Hey Nexus, I found this really interesting note up in a tree today! Wanted to transcribe it before I threw it out:

Tonight I learned how to go as deep as possible with the spice while still remaining calm and in control.
Usually the spice will hit me so hard I am godsmacked and too astonished to really get any work done.
Over the course of 10 hours these medicines were consumed:
3 datura seeds
7 hbwr seeds
20mg THH sublingual
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20mg THH sublingual
and a spliff rolled up with a pinch of changuar in the middle and fresh mapacho.

This was burned down slowly, calmly, in meditative trance. Before I knew it I was just as far as I'd ever been...and that was with high doses of fresh spice. I was amazed that this spice was still as good...even better...it seemed.
I must have taken 5 or 6 drags, held them in, things got cold and the rooms opened up and I was devoured for longer than usual. It was great...it was the best time I've ever had with the spice!
It felt like a gift, or a step in my entheogenic evolution.

This combination of medicines is a perfect synergy.
+1 for joints. I doubt I'll ever smoke spice in a bong, pipe, or vaporizer ever again.
I love puffin' on a rolly 8)
Whoever finds this, I hope you understand! Peace, R.D.J.
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And there you have it. Apparently this guy found his perfect method for space travel.
 
Yeah, I've had poor results from smoking spice in any time of joint. Too much gets wasted smoking away on the ashes.

If it works for you though, awsome. Glad you had such a pleasant ride!

Sounds like a good combiation execpt for the HBWR seeds...that takes a block of time. as those things last a good long while.

One of the really great things I love about Spice is that it has such a short duration. I don't need 6-12 hours to have an amazing psycadelic experience.

Have you taken datura seeds with spice alone?
 
actually spice in a joint is one of SWIMs favorite ways of smoking

and one of the easiest breakthroughs hes ever had was while on HBWR seeds...SWIM is gonna have to try this combo out...thanks for the idea house
 
Studying the report I come to the conclusion that the ratio between "too much wasted in spliff" to "absorbing the spice extremely rapidly and effectively via vaporization" is subjectively irrelevent.
For some reason, the same amount in a bong or pipe produces 1/3 the amount of effects. Not exactly sure why...I think this guy thought his spice was dud after storage. (Something tells me he hadn't been able to break through for a month! He was fed up, and sought another route.)

And when you get a good dose of pure spice it usually hits so hard that the experience is very disorienting.
This guy must love how slow the spice creeps up in a spliff with THH...it's calming, smooth.

I'll go back to the tree and see if there's ever any evidence of just the d.s. and spice, but I have a feeling he's pretty in love with THH and will be working with it upon every departure.

it's really, really good in the middle of the J (about 1/3 changa) I would love hear others who have had success... it's so beautiful and I could not imagine it not working out for you guys!




p.s. jorkest there is magic in this synergy...you will love. there is something important about even a low dose lysergic with maoi and spice. especially with the datura and mapacho. it feels...perfect?
 
Im really interested in the combination of the datura seeds as some tribes are known to use datura in their aya brews. Could you notice substantial effects from the amount you injested?

I think that the changa was the reason it burned so nicely in the spliff. If you had just sprinkled DMT in it then it might not have. I dont know, but further research is warranted.

Have you ever used Datura seeds other than this time? Whats your opinion on them?
 
SWIM have worked with the daturas extensively and know that they are truly only beneficial in low doses. The stramonium seeds really do block the nausea which SWIM frequently get while working with entheogens.
It is highly advised that you don't push the limit on the dose.
 
Yea. I agree. Datura should be only used in small safe doses. SWIM uses about 3 Datura stramonium seeds with most psychedelics. This is enough to block the nausea usually, sometimes 5 is needed. At that completely safe dose, the seeds do almost nothing on their own, but when combined with other psychoactives, the other psychoactives are often increased in potency a little from the mix.
 
Have you tried this more than the one time?
How many times?

Something tells me that smoking out of a joint is similar to every other smoking method out there...in that they are all somewhat hit or miss a lot of times.
Even the best vaporizing device I've used had it's misfires & it's unimaginably easy breakthroughs, but I've never had much luck with joints either.

Then again, I've also noticed that when MAOI's are involved, a breakthrough isn't that hard to come by!!
So your joint experience may have more to do with the THH then just smoking it in a J.


WS
 
thanks for the info house. I would really like to order some thh soon as I find that reports that include the use of thh are always very intriguing. As soon as I can afford it I will be buying some.

I will be smoking some spice sometime during my pharma trip tomorrow. So we will see how that goes. Well not spice but changa. I love da changa. I need to get more herbs in my mix as I only have passionflower in my change as of now. I have been thinking of trying to roll my changa in joint form. Did you put weed with it? Or is it joint of pure changa. I know my changa is pretty strong so a joint could be smoked on quite a few times.
 
[uses telepathy to get into the guys mind]
"I'm usually reluctant to combine cannabis with spice, but I did this time. It was sprinkled throughout along with the mapacho, with very little in the middle and a lot on the ends. Then I added the changa to the middle. Not in one spot, but a little longer so that I could take more than 3 puffs.

You can also add more and then put it out when you're done and keep puffing on it whenever you need it. I have done this before, too. I'm just a natural smoker and this method feels perfect.

A friend reports that his J creeped up on him slow, too. (He doesn't smoke ganja. the j was damiana. no thh or datura used)"
 
SWIM can also attest to the usefulness of J style spice smoking..did this at bisco...worked great during shpongle and chromeo...traveling to other dimensions type shit while standing
 
Jorkest said:
SWIM can also attest to the usefulness of J style spice smoking..did this at bisco...worked great during shpongle and chromeo...traveling to other dimensions type shit while standing
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You've inspired SWIM to practice some martial art/dance type meditations with a changuar spliff....
will be a first.

maybe a whirling dervish is in order.
8)
(can't say I can recommend this. there will be a soft landing pad just in case. although I know someone out there is up on top of a mountain with a staff in hyperspace . .)
 
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