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Hi there,

I finally have some hope for a very dire situation after researching plants and alternative methods of healing. I am so excited to begin this journey. I am especially interested in ayahuasca and ibogaine as a treatment for my partner's addictions. After all of the failed methods of traditional rehab, I truly believe this could save his life and save our family. I am enjoying reading all of the experiences and am glad to know we are not alone in this.. I wish I had discovered this years ago :)
 
Welcome to the Nexus!

I sure hope you can help your partner!

I guess you already know this but just remember the substances by themselves might not be enough for ending addiction. It can also greatly help if there is a network of support and love from close ones, if one temporarily stays away from the circles where addiction is related to, and if other mutually supportive healthy habits are introduced (change in diet, exercise, interesting/useful hobbies added, expression through art/writting etc). Also it takes a lot of will power and integration to the experiences one might have under these substances.

Maybe this thread is of interest to you:


One question, do you or your partner have experience with psychedelics? Also, are you currently on any medication (be sure to check out medication interactions with MAOIs if planning to take ayahuasca) ?

Be well!
 
Welcome to the Nexus and I hope you find success in your determination to heal your loved one, it's really amazing the amount of information (scientific even) that gravitates to this place.
 
welcome to the nexus!

If you are rich we do have an iboga therapy center here in our province where it is legal..


Costs too much for me but hey if you can afford it and it helps get over addiction I guess that is a great thing..

Are you familiar with Gabor Mate? If not you should also check out his work..he has alot of great talks on addiction and was working with groups here in vancouver(close by anyway) with ayahuasca in addiction treatments..health canada made him stop though:cry:
 
Welcome to The Nexus, I wish you and your partner well. I was an active addict/alcoholic for over half of my life. An LSD experience helped me to make up my mind to live and to stop dieing over 14 months ago. I haven't used any substances since then. Though it wasn't with out a lot of hard work that I have made it to were I am today. I think that with Entheogens, they certainly can show someone the things in there life that need to be changed, can even show one how to accomplish change. It is however entirely up to the individual to accomplish this. My experience with LSD wasn't new at this point, but this time was different, it showed me I had to let go and stop struggling and fighting my addiction. I know for certain that Entheogens can show anyone these things, the important part is to take the advice they give you and run with it. Like Endlessness said, I had some people very close to me supporting me all the way, who surprisingly enough hadn't given up on me up to that point. I changed everything about my life. Started eating right, exercising, meditating, I worked the 12 steps. Do some research and see what Entheogen would be right for your partner and perhaps for you as well, you never know what healing it can convey also to you. I don't have any personal experience with Iboga, but I have seen what many other Entheogens can do to heal someone and I believe wholly that they can and do.

Much love
 
Thank you everyone for your advice! Jamie, I have extensively researched the Iboga Therapy House and as much as I think that would be great, we just can't afford it. For about $500.00 I can get the recommended dosages for both of us. The only thing I am searching for now is a guide or helper that can help us through the actual experience.

I have dabbled in hallucinogens when I was a teenager, (LSD, mushrooms etc) and a few years ago was doing some MDMA but I have not touched anything for a few years. I was never addicted to anything, and don't even like to drink. I have been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and have some emotional blockages due to childhood and recent traumas. My partner has been an alcoholic for 25 years (periods of a few years where he'd quit) and most recently has developed a crack habit. This has literally destroyed our family. We are both ready to do this, and I believe this will be successful for him as he has a supportive family, a career, all of the tools that he needs... but it's up to him! My feeling is that at this point we have nothing to lose..

This might sound like a strange question, but does anyone know of anybody or any "spiritual guides" or what have you that would help someone along in this situation? In the Vancouver/Lower Mainland area?

Thank you! :)
 
Well, I dont know of anyone doing iboga sessions for people here in the lower mainland other than the iboga therpay house, which like you I agree is just way too much money for most people.

There are people who run ayahuasca ceremonies here but they are not advertised for obvious reasons so are very underground and word of mouth. I was invited to one once that was a short ferry ride away but it was still a couple hundred to attend..less than iboga but still $$ for me as I was already drinking at home on my own. I guess they had to fly a peruvian currandero here and put him up somewhere though so that costs money..If I was in your situation I would check out the evolver site and when they hold spores here go attend some of them, get to know people and put it out there that you are interested in ceremonies. For me it was just about knowing other people who met other people in the right place at the right time just before some ceremonies were taking place.

Traditional Amazonian Medicine Society(TAM) used to do ceremonies around here and on the island with amazonian curranderos. I met a guy when I was living in tofino a few summers back who ran an esoteric bookstore there and he had drunk with them and said it was really amazing..but I am not sure if TAM is around anymore or if they changed their name or what..

The Santo Daime is also legally permitted to do works here, and they do occasionally hold works in vancouver. One of my friends drunk with them here a few times when they came. I dont think they have a permanent church facility here yet like they do in toronto and quebec but they do hold them somewhere in the city..I have no idea when they come or how to get in touch with them about it..
 
in relation to iboga, you might find more informaton on using it as a serious at home detox medicine on the eboka forums..


Those guys are really the ones out there who have gathered together to help people in similar situations it seems, so I would post there any questions about iboga as well as here.
 
Hi welcome, I'm a new member myself, but I have used iboga and can offer you some advice. A friend of mine was an alcoholic for maybe two decades who would generally use coke when he drank and would dabble in H. He's a brilliant person who did alot of research on Iboga which led him to traveling to a clinic in Mexico for a flood dose of ibogaine, to NYC for two further flood doses administered in a hotel by someone big in the Iboga underground here in the states(forget the name) and finally to Gabon, Africa for a Bwiti initation. He later returned to NYC to help with and observe several treatment sessions. He bought a bunch of rootbark and sat for myself and a few other friends. He is very knowledgeable on the entire treatment process and has been so helped that he plans to involve himself with it as a career in some way. He has currently returned to school and is studying for his masters in addiction studies. He has PTSD also.

He and I have talked for many hours on this and I can assure you that unless you or your partner have a preexisting medicial condition(particularly cardiac), or are in poor health as many addicts are that using this medicine will not be dangerous. Also, don't assume that experience will be brutal. For most of my life I had a nasty case of PTSD myself and iboga was a very gentle experience. My PTSD has largely resolved through meditation and awareness, allowing the at times horrifically painful contents of my subconscious to surface. On several occasions entheogens, which are themselves a way to increase self-awareness, have been helpful though.

In the abscence poor health, if I were in your shoes I would sit for your partner yourself. Maybe starting with a smaller dose to see what happens if either of you are too afraid to take a flood dose right away. I used a total alkaloid extract and then when that wasn't a strong enough dose ate almost an ounce of the bark which i was able to hold down for almost two hours. Ibogaine HCL is said to be less gentle, but often more healing. Be prepared to treat your partner more than once, my friend relapsed after his first two experiences. At that time he had less social support than you and your partner have, but I would plan on several sessions over a few weeks or months for optimum healing.

Entheogens can be frightening, but understand that what is experienced on them is inside you before taking the substance and will stay inside you causing further suffering if it is not brought to awareness.

Have courage, believe in yourself and know that your intuition will guide you to the right path forward, and that if you are healthy than treating each other might be the best path for you. If you go that way make it a priority to set a strong intention for healing and know that the medicine will bring you what you need.
 
Thank you so much yogi.. what a great story. I think you are right about sitting for my partner, I wanted to do it at the same time as him so we could share our experiences afterward together.. but I am not sure if I can find someone who would be willing to do it for both of us.

I'm about to order what we need to undertake this.. I will report back with our progress. :)

Thanks to all of you.. this is a great website!
 
Welcome roxy and good luck.I have also battled alcoholism and I can say I have never regretted stopping drinking.
I wish I would have found DMT or Aya in those days I really think it would have helped greatly.
 
Go for it, long as you are both in good health.

No offense at all to Dethrone, the sentiment is very kind and may not be meant literally, but I strongly advise you not to rely on luck, at all. We have great power to create that few are aware of and choose to use. Whatever state you are in now is a result of your having used this power, so look at the condition of your life, no matter how unpleasant it may be as evidence of your power to create. Naturally our innate power to create can be used for healing and to create beautiful circumstances in our lives just as we have used it, in the past, to create our miseries. This is by no means easy and may require years of work, I've been at it almost unceasingly for seven years now and am not yet completely healed, but the rewards of the effort are priceless. I had PTSD from 2yrs of age, which I didn't become aware of until my 30's when after beginning to meditate on awareness, I started having flashbacks. I was gripped by fear for most of my life and it has required years of continuous effort and intention to accomplish, but the work required pales before the result. Coming out of fear is, I feel, why we are here.

So, whether you do this or not, use your own power to set an intention that whatever you experience and whatever you choose to do, it will be maximally healing for you. Say to yourself something to the effect of, "I will heal and this will help me to heal to the maximum possible degree." Meditate on this, focus on it. Repeat it to yourself in whatever form seems right for you many, many times during the days or weeks leading up to this. You have nothing to lose by doing this, even if it sounds strange, it could only help. It has for myself and others. If you believe in some sort of higher power, call on that to help you heal as well.

There are emotional and psychological currents in us that run directly against healing, do your best to create a drive in yourself that runs counter to these and overpowers them.

To get the most bang for your buck and also your time, it would be best to prepare yourselves by eating a very clean diet for maybe a week or so in advance. If you can manage it, you might even want to begin this diet with a day or two of water fasting. The main purpose of this would be to increase your mental and physical energy and clarify the mind, as this will allow you to use the medicine to it's greatest effect. It would also be psychologically fortifying, give a feeling of empowerment going into the session. Be well rested as well.

Keep in mind that whatever unpleasant feelings or thoughts you uncover through your use of entheogens, have been in you for some time wreaking havoc on your lives and that they must be felt to be healed. Observe the experience with whatever degree of detachment you can muster. No matter how disturbing what you experience is, it is not in any way final and can be healed.

If your partner is open to this sort of thinking, you may try sharing.

Of course if you use ibogaine hcl or total alkaloid extract, instead of just eating the bark, then if you haven't already, refer to the mg/kg or lb of bodyweight dosing guidelines. If you use bark try to eat as much as you can and if you purge it, wait awhile and eat more, repeat this until it feels like you can't eat any more. I don't believe one can overdose on the bark, rather it is about getting a strong enough dose, the Bwiti literally force feed it repeatedly during their initiations.

From my experience of having been administered to by my friend, I'd say that your shared experience has the potential to be more meaningful if anything. I never saw my friend in a more beautiful light as when he was sitting next to me during the trip. He takes being a healer very seriously though so your mileage may vary.

I hope this works out and is healing for both of you. Good luck. ;)




I will leave you with one last thing. I went and found this long but awesome Nisargadatta Maharaj quote, if acted on,it addresses and solves your and your partner's situations in their entirety. Being enlightened he says it far better than I, but I have studied him and others like him for years so I went through the quote and have put in bold what can actually be considered practice instructions that will ultimately lead to your healing. The key is to pay attention to your awareness whenever possible, whether throughout the day, in meditation or while using entheogens, simply that will eventually heal you, although entheogens may speed the process of becoming aware up. Eckhart Tolle, a teacher you may be more familiar with often uses the term Presence in place of Awareness. Towards the end he speaks of a period of "bringing the roof down on your head"(Tolle calls this part of awakening "feeling the pain body"), this is the stage of becoming aware of the contents of your subconscious and will take longer the more screwed up you are to start with. If you become proficient at staying in Awareness your life may initially feel worse. "Feel it to heal it" has become cliched, but if you have much trauma you will find it is no joke. :( Have faith when you release darkness from inside you.


Q: I find being alive a painful state.

M: You cannot be alive for you are life itself.

It is the person you imagine yourself to be that suffers, not you.

Dissolve it in awareness.

It is merely a bundle of memories and habits.

From the awareness of the unreal to the awareness of your real nature there is a chasm which you will easily cross, once you have mastered the art of pure awareness.

Q: All I know is that I do not know myself.

M: How do you know, that you do not know your self?

Your direct insight tells you that yourself you know first, for nothing exists to you without your being there to experience its existence.

You imagine you do not know your self, because you cannot describe your self.

You can always say: 'I know that I am' and you will refuse as untrue the statement: 'I am not'.

But whatever can be described cannot be your self, and what you are cannot be described.

You can only know your self by being yourself without any attempt at self-definition and self-description.

Once you have understood that you are nothing perceivable or conceivable, that whatever appears in the field of consciousness cannot be your self, you will apply yourself to the eradication of all self-identification, as the only way that can take you to a deeper realisation of your self.

You literally progress by rejection -- a veritable rocket.

To know that you are neither in the body nor in the mind, though aware of both, is already self-knowledge.

Q: If I am neither the body nor mind, how am I aware of them?

How can I perceive something quite foreign to myself?

M: 'Nothing is me,' is the first step.

'Everything is me' is the next.

Both hang on the idea: 'there is a world'.

When this too is given up, you remain what you are -- the non-dual Self.

You are it here and now, but your vision is obstructed by your false ideas about your self.

Q: Well, I admit that I am, I was, I shall be; at least from birth to death.

I have no doubts of my being, here and now.

But I find that it is not enough.

My life lacks joy, born of harmony between the inner and the outer.

If I alone am and the world is merely a protection, then why is there disharmony?

M: You create disharmony and then complain!

When you desire and fear, and identify yourself with your feelings, you create sorrow and bondage.

When you create, with love and wisdom, and remain unattached to your creations, the result is harmony and peace.

But whatever be the condition of your mind, in what way does it reflect on you?

It is only your self-identification with your mind that makes you happy or unhappy.

Rebel against your slavery to your mind, see your bonds as self- created and break the chains of attachment and revulsion.

Keep in mind your goal of freedom, until it dawns on you that you are already free, that freedom is not something in the distant future to be earned with painful efforts, but perennially one's own, to be used!


Liberation is not an acquisition but a matter of courage, the courage to believe that you are free already and to act on it.

Q: If I do as I like, I shall have to suffer.

M: Nevertheless, you are free.

The consequences of your action will depend on the society in which you live and its conventions.

Q: I may act recklessly.

M: Along with courage will emerge wisdom and compassion and skill in action.

You will know what to do and whatever you do will be good for all.

Q: I find that the various aspects of myself are at war between themselves and there is no peace in me.

Where are freedom and courage, wisdom and compassion?

My actions merely increase the chasm in which I exist.

M: It is all so, because you take yourself to be somebody, or something.

Stop, look, investigate, ask the right questions, come to the right conclusions and have the courage to act on them and see what happens.

The first steps may bring the roof down on your head, but soon the commotion will clear and there will be peace and joy.

You know so many things about yourself, but the knower you do not know.

Find out who you are, the knower of the known.
(By Knower he means the Awareness that is Aware of everything, your body, thoughts, surroundings, in fact of the entire universe. By the known he means your thoughts, your human body and it's surroundings, the DMT trip you are having, everything. He is saying that all of creation is inside you, that you are everything and the awareness of everything.)

Look within diligently, remember to remember that the perceived cannot be the perceiver.

Whatever you see, hear or think of, remember -- you are not what happens, you are the awareness to whom it happens.


Delve deeply into the sense 'I am' and you will surely discover that the perceiving centre is universal, as universal as the light that illumines the world.

All that happens in the universe happens to you, the silent witness.

On the other hand, whatever is done, is done by you, the universal and inexhaustible energy.
 
Wow.. that's amazing. Thanks for sharing that. I re-read that a few times and each time I got something different from it. This forum really is great. I can't talk to any of my friends or family about this because they are "normal" and think I'm right out to lunch. Oh well.

Anyway, everything is arranged and we will be undertaking this journey at the end of this month.

I have a question about dosages and timing. I have been recommended the dosages of 4.2 grams of Ibogaine TA for my partner (he's 190 pounds) and 2.8 grams for myself. (I'm just under 160) Does this sound about right to you guys?

Also, what is the best time to start? We are doing it on a weekend so would it be best to take it Friday morning? Or start in the evening? I have read that light can be an issue so maybe it would be more beneficial to begin at night with dim/candle lighting. Any opinions and thoughts on this would be great!

You guys are awesome... thanks again.
 
I feel you, sadly in this dimension normal usually equates with ego, which is fear.

Those doses sound about right, but it depends on how pure the extract is. Who suggested them? If it's a super refined extract they could be very high doses, but this seems very unlikely. If it were a weak impure extract the dose could be too low and it would be best to have more on hand to redose in 2hrs or so if it turns out to be weak. What percentage is the extract said to be?

Your dose would be proportionately 80% of his dose at those numbers, do you want a milder experience? 3.5g for you would be equal to 4.2 for him.

Thursday night would be better, but do what you can. If starting in the daytime or if street lights come through the window then black the room out completely if at all possible, a towel in the crack under the door, thick black plastic over window, etc. When you sit for your partner it may be best to sit quietly and only speak if there is a concern and then of course be very reassuring. I had no problem talking on it, but a friend reported being greatly annoyed.

Where did you get it? I ask because talking about it has made me want to take it again and I would like to get some if it turns out well for you, so let me know how it goes.



Came across this earlier today:
Pathwork Lecture #190, "The Importance of Experiencing All Feelings, Including Fear," says:

Through the gateway of feeling your weakness lies your strength;
Through the gateway of feeling your pain lies your pleasure and joy;
Through the gateway of feeling your fear lies your security and safety;
Through the gateway of feeling your loneliness lies your capacity to
have fulfillment, love and companionship;
Through the gateway of feeling your hate lies your capacity to love;
Through the gateway of feeling your hopelessness lies true and
justified hope;
Through the gateway of accepting the lacks of your childhood lies your
fulfillment now.
 
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