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MerryPrankster,

this is why it is important to think long and hard on how we communicate with one another. Sometimes using certain words will overshadow the rest of a paragraph because of what it evokes in the reader. The question is - is it more important that I use and emphasise these words that I associate with these things, or that I communicate the thing that is behind these words, and thus either use different ones instead or try to make my point as clear and unambiguous as possible.

Personally I don't see what you two are arguing about - it seems to be a matter of how the therm 'Christian' was used and whether it is 'useful' to use concepts out of the Bible for one's self development and spiritual quest. Frankly, if I found something interesting that I believed could be of positive impact on me if investigated or used, I would even use concepts from the 'Satanic Bible', 'Spider Man', 'Teletubbies' or 'Scientology'. I believe I have the mental capacity to be able to separate positive things from negative things and use them regardless of the context they were taken from.
Would I go around telling people I was now going to use Satanist-comic-book-children's-Dianetics terminology to explain myself? probably not. I just incorporate whatever I can learn from whatever source I can get my hands on, and if a quote or a citation is necessary I will give it, but I won't necessarily emphasise it (unless it has to do with integral theory lol).

I understand what you tried to say in the beginning with how you would use this kind of terminology and for me this is no problem. It seems however it might be easier to emphasise it less and maybe even try to find alternatives when possible. Doing this might also be an interesting exercise in itself for altering or making more flexible the habitual concept-formation-processes in your mind. Again personally I have no problem with using whatever terminology you please, just so long as you are actively communicating in a progressive way; so far I have no complaints

SWIMfriend, why are you so hung up on this word?
also, you don't think expressing or communicating an experience of divine revelation is worthwhile?
I guess if the idea would be to give objective information then I would agree, but there is more to communication than just that. A group I meditate with and engage in communication with has this interesting idea that communication is a form of consciousness itself. Communicating your divine revelation while still somehow connected to this state, to another being, can open very interesting forms of communication - where you are directly in touch with your own and the inter-subjective consciousness. By talking about consciousness, about the ineffable you can create resonances in others, bring about revelations in others or simply find a way to connect to deeper levels of the people you are talking to. In that sense I find talking about these things very worthwhile and it's also just interesting to hear what other people have experienced IMO.

anyway
cheers & love
Enoon

<blockquote data-quote="Enoon" data-source="post: 3448170" data-attributes="member: 5949">MerryPrankster, this is why it is important to think long and hard on how we communicate with one another. Sometimes using certain words will overshadow the rest of a paragraph because of what it evokes in the reader. The question is - is it more important that I use and emphasise these words that I associate with these things, or that I communicate the thing that is behind these words, and thus either use different ones instead or try to make my point as clear and unambiguous as possible. Personally I don&#039;t see what you two are arguing about - it seems to be a matter of how the therm &#039;Christian&#039; was used and whether it is &#039;useful&#039; to use concepts out of the Bible for one&#039;s self development and spiritual quest. Frankly, if I found something interesting that I believed could be of positive impact on me if investigated or used, I would even use concepts from the &#039;Satanic Bible&#039;, &#039;Spider Man&#039;, &#039;Teletubbies&#039; or &#039;Scientology&#039;. I believe I have the mental capacity to be able to separate positive things from negative things and use them regardless of the context they were taken from. Would I go around telling people I was now going to use Satanist-comic-book-children&#039;s-Dianetics terminology to explain myself? probably not. I just incorporate whatever I can learn from whatever source I can get my hands on, and if a quote or a citation is necessary I will give it, but I won&#039;t necessarily emphasise it (unless it has to do with integral theory <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> lol). I understand what you tried to say in the beginning with how you would use this kind of terminology and for me this is no problem. It seems however it might be easier to emphasise it less and maybe even try to find alternatives when possible. Doing this might also be an interesting exercise in itself for altering or making more flexible the habitual concept-formation-processes in your mind. Again personally I have no problem with using whatever terminology you please, just so long as you are actively communicating in a progressive way; so far I have no complaints <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />SWIMfriend, why are you so hung up on this word? also, you don&#039;t think expressing or communicating an experience of divine revelation is worthwhile? I guess if the idea would be to give objective information then I would agree, but there is more to communication than just that. A group I meditate with and engage in communication with has this interesting idea that communication is a form of consciousness itself. Communicating your divine revelation while still somehow connected to this state, to another being, can open very interesting forms of communication - where you are directly in touch with your own and the inter-subjective consciousness. By talking about consciousness, about the ineffable you can create resonances in others, bring about revelations in others or simply find a way to connect to deeper levels of the people you are talking to. In that sense I find talking about these things very worthwhile and it&#039;s also just interesting to hear what other people have experienced IMO. anywaycheers &amp; loveEnoon</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Enoon, post: 3448170, member: 5949"] MerryPrankster, this is why it is important to think long and hard on how we communicate with one another. Sometimes using certain words will overshadow the rest of a paragraph because of what it evokes in the reader. The question is - is it more important that I use and emphasise these words that I associate with these things, or that I communicate the thing that is behind these words, and thus either use different ones instead or try to make my point as clear and unambiguous as possible. Personally I don't see what you two are arguing about - it seems to be a matter of how the therm 'Christian' was used and whether it is 'useful' to use concepts out of the Bible for one's self development and spiritual quest. Frankly, if I found something interesting that I believed could be of positive impact on me if investigated or used, I would even use concepts from the 'Satanic Bible', 'Spider Man', 'Teletubbies' or 'Scientology'. I believe I have the mental capacity to be able to separate positive things from negative things and use them regardless of the context they were taken from. Would I go around telling people I was now going to use Satanist-comic-book-children's-Dianetics terminology to explain myself? probably not. I just incorporate whatever I can learn from whatever source I can get my hands on, and if a quote or a citation is necessary I will give it, but I won't necessarily emphasise it (unless it has to do with integral theory :P lol). I understand what you tried to say in the beginning with how you would use this kind of terminology and for me this is no problem. It seems however it might be easier to emphasise it less and maybe even try to find alternatives when possible. Doing this might also be an interesting exercise in itself for altering or making more flexible the habitual concept-formation-processes in your mind. Again personally I have no problem with using whatever terminology you please, just so long as you are actively communicating in a progressive way; so far I have no complaints :P SWIMfriend, why are you so hung up on this word? also, you don't think expressing or communicating an experience of divine revelation is worthwhile? I guess if the idea would be to give objective information then I would agree, but there is more to communication than just that. A group I meditate with and engage in communication with has this interesting idea that communication is a form of consciousness itself. Communicating your divine revelation while still somehow connected to this state, to another being, can open very interesting forms of communication - where you are directly in touch with your own and the inter-subjective consciousness. By talking about consciousness, about the ineffable you can create resonances in others, bring about revelations in others or simply find a way to connect to deeper levels of the people you are talking to. In that sense I find talking about these things very worthwhile and it's also just interesting to hear what other people have experienced IMO. anyway cheers & love Enoon [/QUOTE]