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man, MerryPrankster, your intro essay really sparked quite the ... discussion

I wonder in general why these discussions get so heated. At least to me this discussion does feel heated, and while I understand that people have different views on the topic, it doesn't seem necessary to me that it gets emotional, defensive, or intolerant. I think somewhere in the first few posts some kind of problem in the communication occurred...

To me MerryPranksters intro read kind of like "I grew up in an english speaking country, so I will speak to you in english." where english was replaced with 'christian symbols' or whatever. Sure this is worth a discussion, but I don't understand the need to convince anyone of the evils of religion, even if they are there. Trying to convince anyone of anything is always a messy business especially if done by force rather than by guidance or emergence.

Furthermore I don't see this discussion going anywhere anymore; has everyone said what they needed to say?

I have to refer to my first post in this thread in which I philosophised about the different intentions behind communication. I wonder, in these heated discussions, do we remain aware of what it is we want to achieve by being part of this communication? Or are we just reacting to stimuli?
Or - are we achieving what we intended to achieve by engaging in this discussion? Is this in any way helping anyone? Is it good for anyone or thing? Could it potentially be in any way positive for the inter-subjective space or the individuals participating? And if so, is it positive for all or just for some?

Sure a little friction now and then is good for any system and it's often integral for communication/debates/discussions... but at some point I believe it serves no purpose any more. Developing an understanding of when to proceed, how to proceed and when to stop in a discussion like this, where it should be about expanding our horizons, learning, and evolving, is something we should all look into perhaps. Personally I hope the discussion ends here for now.

love to you all
Enoon

<blockquote data-quote="Enoon" data-source="post: 3448596" data-attributes="member: 5949">man, MerryPrankster, your intro essay really sparked quite the ... discussion <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />I wonder in general why these discussions get so heated. At least to me this discussion does feel heated, and while I understand that people have different views on the topic, it doesn&#039;t seem necessary to me that it gets emotional, defensive, or intolerant. I think somewhere in the first few posts some kind of problem in the communication occurred... To me MerryPranksters intro read kind of like &quot;I grew up in an english speaking country, so I will speak to you in english.&quot; where english was replaced with &#039;christian symbols&#039; or whatever. Sure this is worth a discussion, but I don&#039;t understand the need to convince anyone of the evils of religion, even if they are there. Trying to convince anyone of anything is always a messy business especially if done by force rather than by guidance or emergence. Furthermore I don&#039;t see this discussion going anywhere anymore; has everyone said what they needed to say?I have to refer to my first post in this thread in which I philosophised about the different intentions behind communication. I wonder, in these heated discussions, do we remain aware of what it is we want to achieve by being part of this communication? Or are we just reacting to stimuli? Or - are we achieving what we intended to achieve by engaging in this discussion? Is this in any way helping anyone? Is it good for anyone or thing? Could it potentially be in any way positive for the inter-subjective space or the individuals participating? And if so, is it positive for all or just for some?Sure a little friction now and then is good for any system and it&#039;s often integral for communication/debates/discussions... but at some point I believe it serves no purpose any more. Developing an understanding of when to proceed, how to proceed and when to stop in a discussion like this, where it should be about expanding our horizons, learning, and evolving, is something we should all look into perhaps. Personally I hope the discussion ends here for now. love to you allEnoon</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Enoon, post: 3448596, member: 5949"] man, MerryPrankster, your intro essay really sparked quite the ... discussion :D I wonder in general why these discussions get so heated. At least to me this discussion does feel heated, and while I understand that people have different views on the topic, it doesn't seem necessary to me that it gets emotional, defensive, or intolerant. I think somewhere in the first few posts some kind of problem in the communication occurred... To me MerryPranksters intro read kind of like "I grew up in an english speaking country, so I will speak to you in english." where english was replaced with 'christian symbols' or whatever. Sure this is worth a discussion, but I don't understand the need to convince anyone of the evils of religion, even if they are there. Trying to convince anyone of anything is always a messy business especially if done by force rather than by guidance or emergence. Furthermore I don't see this discussion going anywhere anymore; has everyone said what they needed to say? I have to refer to my first post in this thread in which I philosophised about the different intentions behind communication. I wonder, in these heated discussions, do we remain aware of what it is we want to achieve by being part of this communication? Or are we just reacting to stimuli? Or - are we achieving what we intended to achieve by engaging in this discussion? Is this in any way helping anyone? Is it good for anyone or thing? Could it potentially be in any way positive for the inter-subjective space or the individuals participating? And if so, is it positive for all or just for some? Sure a little friction now and then is good for any system and it's often integral for communication/debates/discussions... but at some point I believe it serves no purpose any more. Developing an understanding of when to proceed, how to proceed and when to stop in a discussion like this, where it should be about expanding our horizons, learning, and evolving, is something we should all look into perhaps. Personally I hope the discussion ends here for now. love to you all Enoon [/QUOTE]