delafonze19 said:
hhhmmm.. bold accusations with little evidence to support it. I come for help and get told I should be banned? I ain't even been one to overstay my welcome and can find the door myself. If I needed guilt and and elitist attitude I could have gone to church. Guess I misposted to the motivations subjective variance in definition of commercial production section. A sincere thanks to endless for offering insight to problem at hands and reason for posting. I find it odd I must keep mentioning that I post for a more paranoid person and rightfully so as he engages in criminal activity. Delafonze19 has a family and long standing recovery from MA dependence and it too scared of LE to risk an escalated repeat offender sentence. However I do miss the chemistry aspects of the procedure and have more knowledge than the average tek reader so prove to be a good ally for this other person who I think deserves to be successful and safe in his endeavors rather than guess and check or telephone pass the misinformation available from random users who saw something once. I believe my past post and most recent one both agree that if one must work to use discretion in respect to the nature of the substance as well as not ruining it for everyone else. Thats just my 2-bit self analysis of my own intentions and state of affairs take it with a grain of salt as all parties and events are fictitious and a general waste of time and bandwidth that should be reserved for day traders and people who don't have the extra 20 bucks for five times the volume.
response to xtraction questions
Solvent will not leave epson salt, I dont know why you would use epson salts in the first place. Its only useful to dry solvents (for example remove water from acetone if you need it dry) but in this case it matters not, naphtha and similar solvents are anyways not miscible with water in any significant amount (just think that in a normal extraction you are mixing it with water anyways!)
the intended purpose of epson was to dry the NP as water vapor and condensation have resulted in failed freeze precip in the past, thought it best to keep NP as anhydrous as possible to isolate possible problems. He understands miscrebility but is also very certain that NP solevents do get "wet" by suspension after agitation and "wet" np can seriously impace any sucess. He was going to throw away filter conating use epson when smell and distincly differeant appearance alreted him to possible product. He wanted advice on solvent selection to disolve goods but epson salt was insoluable to seperate by filtration and freeze or vap salvaged good back rather than waste. I downloaded a .pf merk manaul and will have him determine on his own He also obtained 50' of 99.4% zinc from his roof (damn fungus). He plans on disolving this in afore mentioned driveway cleaner under a hood or other safety device to avoid toxic/explosive fumes. 24hrs later filter to remove solids. dilute the solution with twice its volume of dh20 and add magnesium from tinder kit. after reaction remove magnesium and filter retain solid masss and desicate. At this point he will mix with stock pile of unused match heads retained from historic post referenced above then throw at problamatic np jar in freezer. Thats a joke don't make explosives either. anyway this powder will be used to oxide reduce something better blah results will be posted to the collective and other sites devoted to clandestine chemistry and dmt extraction, Thought we were all on the same team that felt similar to an interogation...
As for the accusations, you are right people should not straight accuse but rather ask questions and try to probe before. I guess though you must also understand where people are coming from so that you dont get personally offended. We are all trying to keep the use of this molecule as respectful and careful as possible, so if someone who has confessed to have been busted for meth manufacture asks for help on a multiple-kg extraction, dont you think its reasonable that people would at least suspect something? Now sure you can argue that, given the suspicion, people can ask/communicate differently without straight away jumping, but if you want people to 'cut you some slack', then also do the same for them, understanding why they responded in such way. In the end, all we want is that people have information and are respectful and dont sell or indiscriminately give away and cause problems to themselves, others and the community.
The intentions are good here, but constructive criticism on how to get to the objectives of getting the message across in a better way, is always welcome. If we got off on the wrong foot due to misunderstandings and miscommunication, it can always be fixed and make the paths align again. But please be very aware that if from your (or anybody's) side, there are less-than-honorable intentions, and profit or reckless (even if free) distribution of DMT is involved, then the paths will certainly not align and there is no place for this kind of people or actions in this community, we are openly against it as the attitude page well says.
As for the magnesium sulfate, there is no need at all to dry non polars. As I said, they will not mix with water, it just doesnt happen in any significant quantity, they layers will separate, remember they are non-polars. If during separation you got some basified liquid across, just do a sodium carb wash. Freeze precipitation will not be screwed by droplets of water that might have gotten there through condensation or otherwise, you must have done something else wrong when it failed. If there is water in the freeze container, all that will happen is it will form some ice, that later will melt and will NOT carry any of the alkaloids with it because freebase is not soluble in water. So if you filter your alkaloids dry, as the ice melt it will be filtered away, or if you just let your container stand, the ice will also melt and will eventually dry, and the crystals will be unaffected by it. What exactly went wrong in your freeze precip? Was it melting crystal issue? and if so, just do that trick from the FAQ I told you about and it will prevent that from happening.
Regarding the zinc and oxide reduction, you could do that after recrystallizing with naphtha, then redissolve the remaining goo in acidified water and mix well with zinc for a couple of hours, then filter, re-base, re-extract, maybe you get some more crystals that way. In publications around the zinc reduction is done with HCl solution, im not sure if vinegar solution will work.
