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For others to help you please outline all ingredients and process steps.
Newguy7
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I heated the mhrb in a crock pot for 8 hrs stirring occasionaly. Then I froze the mhrb with the crock pot overnight. I repeated this process two more times. On the fourth crock pot heating I added some vinegar. Then cool down afterwards.
I poured root bark into Mason jar. Then added calcium hydroxide little by little stirring until ph at 12. Let it cool for about an hour. There was the yellowish cloudy layer that had formed.
Then poured the naphtha and mixed it. I've tried stirring it multiple times but keep getting the same results.
I poured root bark into Mason jar. Then added calcium hydroxide little by little stirring until ph at 12. Let it cool for about an hour. There was the yellowish cloudy layer that had formed.
Then poured the naphtha and mixed it. I've tried stirring it multiple times but keep getting the same results.
It's probably bcz of the calcium hydroxide, it works better for dry teks. If you have sodium hydroxide add some and hopefully it will resolve
what exactly is the "result" you have issue with? cloudy calcium loaded naptha layer?
as long as the naptha is actually seperating from the solution this can still work. pretend the calcium clouding is not there and syphon it all off as normal. but then, add vinegar or ideally hydrochloric acid to your naptha and shake to dissolve all the calcium hydroxide, this part you can control though, adding only just enough acid to react with the calcium you can leave most of the spice in solution. Now you will want to base it again from scratch using sodium carbonate. this will cause even worse clouding than last time, however calcium carbonate should settle easily, and if it doesnt, heat and chill a few times and it should.
Also, before you do anything, try putting it in the freezer until ice only just begins to form, dont let it actually freeze over, then let it warm to room temp, then freezer again, try this a few times, freezer or fridge, colder is better. when warmed calcium hydroxide will dissolve a little. when then chilled, there is precipitation however, it will prefer to crystalize on existing particles, making them get bigger, and heavier, and more likely to settle.
This is the premise of, i think its called flocculation(flocculants work different tho)? its that thing you do with beer, chilling it, usually quickly, to cause all the yeast and other stuff to settle out, although that may be by a different mechanism, theres quite a few situations in chemistry where thats done to the same effect.
Going from ice cold to room temp is the same as going room temp to hot as far as crystal formation goes, things always dissolve when getting warmer, precipitate (if saturated) when going colder, but things which are problematic in water tend to, in my experience, settle faster when you crystalize between room temp and near freezing, rather than, room temp and hot
as long as the naptha is actually seperating from the solution this can still work. pretend the calcium clouding is not there and syphon it all off as normal. but then, add vinegar or ideally hydrochloric acid to your naptha and shake to dissolve all the calcium hydroxide, this part you can control though, adding only just enough acid to react with the calcium you can leave most of the spice in solution. Now you will want to base it again from scratch using sodium carbonate. this will cause even worse clouding than last time, however calcium carbonate should settle easily, and if it doesnt, heat and chill a few times and it should.
Also, before you do anything, try putting it in the freezer until ice only just begins to form, dont let it actually freeze over, then let it warm to room temp, then freezer again, try this a few times, freezer or fridge, colder is better. when warmed calcium hydroxide will dissolve a little. when then chilled, there is precipitation however, it will prefer to crystalize on existing particles, making them get bigger, and heavier, and more likely to settle.
This is the premise of, i think its called flocculation(flocculants work different tho)? its that thing you do with beer, chilling it, usually quickly, to cause all the yeast and other stuff to settle out, although that may be by a different mechanism, theres quite a few situations in chemistry where thats done to the same effect.
Going from ice cold to room temp is the same as going room temp to hot as far as crystal formation goes, things always dissolve when getting warmer, precipitate (if saturated) when going colder, but things which are problematic in water tend to, in my experience, settle faster when you crystalize between room temp and near freezing, rather than, room temp and hot
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Newguy7
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The issue was with the top gray layer that wouldn't subside. I've now added some sodium hydroxide and that layer has since subsided.
nice! did the color also become darker?
Newguy7
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WOW!!!
