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Hey Elmo, thanks for your reply, that means a lot to me. I understand what you say about not wanting anything to influence your own dmt experience but you'll probably find your dmt experience will be very much your own regardless. When I said Mckenna's dmt experience description may have influenced mine, I listened to him describe the same experience, which he admitted was an amalgamation of many experiences, at least 20 times in many different talks. And I'm sure many people come to the machine elf greeting hall without having heard Mckenna's story. Best of luck with your extraction and return home! And do share your experience. If you're anything like me, you'll feel a desire to share it with the group. Again according to Mckenna, sharing it with the group is part of what the experience is about.

re older people using dmt for the first time, I think you're right that it usually requires previous psy experience. Too much old dogs, new tricks syndrome otherwise. The one exception might be as dmnstr8 suggests, with aya, maybe because it's so often described as a healing process that's been used for millennia rather than as a drug.

I try not to be too one eyed about the word "drug" though. I mean I have no intention of ever using heroin, meth, cocaine etc but I can accept there's plenty of people who can use those things carefully and have perfectly normal, responsible, happy, productive lives, despite the addiction horror stories. I find this myself with ket and benzos, two substances I find very useful in moderation despite all the sad stories about people misusing them and getting addicted or having horrible withdrawals.

As for talking to uninitiated people about psys, I don't. I found, maybe as you have that there's nothing to be gained but plenty can be lost (eg friends, respect). I think people who come to psys need to do it on their own hook. I talk about psys only with a small group who are well versed in their use and ofc here and on other boards.

Don't get me wrong about Terence. I have the utmost respect for what he did and said. I just wonder if things might have been better both for him and his audience if he had talked publicly about this shroom trip that was so scary that he never did shrooms again. Maybe it was too personal or painful, but he talked about many of his other trips and about fear.

<blockquote data-quote="twattlehead" data-source="post: 3803679" data-attributes="member: 35774">Hey Elmo, thanks for your reply, that means a lot to me. I understand what you say about not wanting anything to influence your own dmt experience but you&#039;ll probably find your dmt experience will be very much your own regardless. When I said Mckenna&#039;s dmt experience description may have influenced mine, I listened to him describe the same experience, which he admitted was an amalgamation of many experiences, at least 20 times in many different talks. And I&#039;m sure many people come to the machine elf greeting hall without having heard Mckenna&#039;s story. Best of luck with your extraction and return home! And do share your experience. If you&#039;re anything like me, you&#039;ll feel a desire to share it with the group. Again according to Mckenna, sharing it with the group is part of what the experience is about.re older people using dmt for the first time, I think you&#039;re right that it usually requires previous psy experience. Too much old dogs, new tricks syndrome otherwise. The one exception might be as dmnstr8 suggests, with aya, maybe because it&#039;s so often described as a healing process that&#039;s been used for millennia rather than as a drug.I try not to be too one eyed about the word &quot;drug&quot; though. I mean I have no intention of ever using heroin, meth, cocaine etc but I can accept there&#039;s plenty of people who can use those things carefully and have perfectly normal, responsible, happy, productive lives, despite the addiction horror stories. I find this myself with ket and benzos, two substances I find very useful in moderation despite all the sad stories about people misusing them and getting addicted or having horrible withdrawals.As for talking to uninitiated people about psys, I don&#039;t. I found, maybe as you have that there&#039;s nothing to be gained but plenty can be lost (eg friends, respect). I think people who come to psys need to do it on their own hook. I talk about psys only with a small group who are well versed in their use and ofc here and on other boards.Don&#039;t get me wrong about Terence. I have the utmost respect for what he did and said. I just wonder if things might have been better both for him and his audience if he had talked publicly about this shroom trip that was so scary that he never did shrooms again. Maybe it was too personal or painful, but he talked about many of his other trips and about fear.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="twattlehead, post: 3803679, member: 35774"] Hey Elmo, thanks for your reply, that means a lot to me. I understand what you say about not wanting anything to influence your own dmt experience but you'll probably find your dmt experience will be very much your own regardless. When I said Mckenna's dmt experience description may have influenced mine, I listened to him describe the same experience, which he admitted was an amalgamation of many experiences, at least 20 times in many different talks. And I'm sure many people come to the machine elf greeting hall without having heard Mckenna's story. Best of luck with your extraction and return home! And do share your experience. If you're anything like me, you'll feel a desire to share it with the group. Again according to Mckenna, sharing it with the group is part of what the experience is about. re older people using dmt for the first time, I think you're right that it usually requires previous psy experience. Too much old dogs, new tricks syndrome otherwise. The one exception might be as dmnstr8 suggests, with aya, maybe because it's so often described as a healing process that's been used for millennia rather than as a drug. I try not to be too one eyed about the word "drug" though. I mean I have no intention of ever using heroin, meth, cocaine etc but I can accept there's plenty of people who can use those things carefully and have perfectly normal, responsible, happy, productive lives, despite the addiction horror stories. I find this myself with ket and benzos, two substances I find very useful in moderation despite all the sad stories about people misusing them and getting addicted or having horrible withdrawals. As for talking to uninitiated people about psys, I don't. I found, maybe as you have that there's nothing to be gained but plenty can be lost (eg friends, respect). I think people who come to psys need to do it on their own hook. I talk about psys only with a small group who are well versed in their use and ofc here and on other boards. Don't get me wrong about Terence. I have the utmost respect for what he did and said. I just wonder if things might have been better both for him and his audience if he had talked publicly about this shroom trip that was so scary that he never did shrooms again. Maybe it was too personal or painful, but he talked about many of his other trips and about fear. [/QUOTE]