While I respect your belief or opinion about this mine is not the same and I disagree.
first of all, the original view point never resonated with my viewpoint, I consider it to have valid points and to be considering something that I think a lot of people are unwilling to consider because they have closed their minds.
If you read what I wrote in this and the other thread my viewpoint was and is very different from the original post. So while it might appear to you that I am discouraging growth and learning because it doesn't resonate with my viewpoint this cannot be true for the original post did not resonate with my views. Moreover a change of the opinion of a person does not count as growth or learning because an opinion is subjective. So how can I be discouraging growth and learning when they aren't even related to the topic at all, and why would my motive in this be because the new opinion is different than mine when the original was also different than mine?
I find that retracting statements is itself ambiguous.
I am offended at the retraction of the consideration, not the statement itself. This is what I wrote and it is what I meant. I was offended at the retraction of the consideration. It does not appear that I wrote well enough for you to consider my words or you merely skimmed them and did not read them in detail, for you seem to address things I did not write or state as if I did write or state them and I find this frustrating.
I found the original post to be very open minded and objectively considered. I do not agree with it, I stated I thought it hit the nail on the head in a biased way but then proceeded to share my own opinion which was entirely different
This is the original post opinion, not the consideration, his changing of his opinion is not to me offensive in the slightest, nor do I view a change of an opinion as growth or learning per say, for those imply improvement, but I see a change in opinion or belief as motion, not as good or bad, a rejection of them as knowledge however I do view as growth and learning, but that is my opinion.
here is the original opinion of the first post:
and here is what I wrote:
I am curious Global if you truly disagree that DMT has the capacity to be dangerous and should be approached responsibly, but can also be incredibly productive and healthy?
The original poster proceeded to elaborate that the danger was psychotic delusion
ergo
And I wrote this:
I did write that psychedelics can be dangerous, but I addressed behavior whilst on them (including in other mammals) and you (we all) likely know of an account not too long ago where someone was using DMT near water and drowned.
I never agreed with the original opinion that the danger of DMT is because of delusional beliefs, I even wrote this could have positive effects upon their behavior.
I still think it hit the nail on the head in a biased way. A lot of the more outspoken DMT users do not seem to question their beliefs, and yet most users I have met or encountered never established those beliefs at all. I believe people who do are in the minority of users but in the majority of the people who address such use publicly. An analogy is that the most outspoken of the religious people (pick one) tend to be the fundamentalists, in my own way I am saying that we have a lot of DMT fundamentalists. That is not a judgement for or against them, even if I do not share their beliefs that does not mean those beliefs are bad, or good, actions and consequences are, without such things beliefs are meaningless outside of opinion.
I agree that the original post was biased, but so are many of the responses, if not all of them, my own included.
I have used DMT quite a bit, and know many other who have as well, along with many other psychedelics. I disagree that a single dose can leave one deluded, however people are very impressionable and I could use a psychedelic to help delude them and get them to believe something that is not true. I know this because I have experienced it myself, I have tripped and thought I obtained knowledge and information about measurable events and totally believed it, until I came down and went to verify and learned that I had been deluded. My delusions were harmless enough, but the point is I was totally convinced of them, ergo my mind had closed.