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[Tumupasa]

Hi, before commenting or asking anything, and since I've been wandering on this forum for a few months, I thought i would introduce myself to the community.

I discovered Ayahuasca in 2007, while traveling in Bolivia, it happened I also met my future wife there, so it was the beginning of a lot more of stamps on my passport

I Have participated in approximately 20 ceremonies there in the jungle, in a really loving and respectful context, building strong friendship with the curanderos.
Since the very first session I realy like Ayahuasca, and I sensed it was reciprocal, making me come back every now and then and after lots of terror, purging , ecstasy and bliss, I decided I would learn more seriously how to navigate this space and hopefully be able to help people the way the shamans I met helped me, I knew that it would be a long road and that it would take time and that i wouldn't call myself a Shaman after spending a 1 month retreat in the jungle

We left Bolivia 4 years ago and even though we're planning to go back and settle there, I started to feel that call again, strongly.
Thankfully, by discovering this forum and its community i found my way through all the doubts one can have when searching for a good extraction and consumption method, and found that changa would be a good ally until I'll be able to come back.
For now, pure spice frightens me a bit (I've had a failed intent but I think I unconsciously sabotaged it), I think that the fact people describe it as more alien, less from earth, scares me. But I'm definitely looking for the good set and setting to try it.

 

[Pandora]

Tumupasa,

Welcome to formal membership, . I'm so glad you signed up after taking such a thorough look around.

I really enjoyed your introduction. You journey sounds truly beautiful so far.

And yes, vaped/smoked DMT is different from oral dosing. They can in fact get you to the same place but the oral comeup/process is slower and gentler compared to the rocket ride of a vaped dose.

Changa can be very nice due to the additives of MAOIs and pleasant herbs. Also most changa mixes weight by weight are 1/2 the strength of raw crystal. This means that a gram of changa typically contains 500 mgs of DMT. Thus changa smoking/vaping can be gentler than crystal.

You mentioned that you had found your way through all the doubts when searching for a good extraction. Have you in fact done your own extraction yet? If so, which TEK did you use and how did it turn out? Have you tried it? What herbs did you use in your changa blend.

If you would care to share more, I would love to read it.

Again, welcome, .

 

[blig-blug]

Welcome to the Nexus!

For now, pure spice frightens me a bit (I've had a failed intent but I think I unconsciously sabotaged it), I think that the fact people describe it as more alien, less from earth, scares me. But I'm definitely looking for the good set and setting to try it.

We are in a similar situation regarding that. Look into vaporhuasca (vaporized DMT with oral harmalas), apparently it's somewhat more ayahuasca-like than changa.

 

[Tumupasa]

Tumupasa,

Welcome to formal membership, . I'm so glad you signed up after taking such a thorough look around.

I really enjoyed your introduction. You journey sounds truly beautiful so far.

And yes, vaped/smoked DMT is different from oral dosing. They can in fact get you to the same place but the oral comeup/process is slower and gentler compared to the rocket ride of a vaped dose.

Changa can be very nice due to the additives of MAOIs and pleasant herbs. Also most changa mixes weight by weight are 1/2 the strength of raw crystal. This means that a gram of changa typically contains 500 mgs of DMT. Thus changa smoking/vaping can be gentler than crystal.

You mentioned that you had found your way through all the doubts when searching for a good extraction. Have you in fact done your own extraction yet? If so, which TEK did you use and how did it turn out? Have you tried it? What herbs did you use in your changa blend.

If you would care to share more, I would love to read it.

Again, welcome, .

@Pandora, thank you for the warm welcome!

Yes of course, i can share my process.

I stumbled upon a video on Youtube called "The Wonderful World of NN-DMT Extraction and Making Your Own Vape Pens".
Here is my process:
1- In a 1L Pyrex bottle, pour 750ml of demineralized water,
2- add 100g Lye, swirl and let it cool down a few hours.
3- Then add 100g Mimosa Hostilis
4- swirl during 3 minutes
5- add 150ml naphta
6- swirl during 3 minutes, let settle until the naphta separates from plant material and repeat this step a few more times.
7- with a pipette, suck the naphta layer and pour into a pyrex dish
8- leave 24 hours in freezer
9- keep the naphta in a flask and let dry a few hours
10- Ready
11- redo steps 6 to 9 until it isn't worth the efforts to do it.

During my first extraction , I think I shook the bottle too vigorously and had an emulsion, and I've read here that adding salt helped reducing emulsions, so now I always add approx 45g of salt.

My changa is 1:1 DMT herbs.
- 1000mg spice
- 1000mg herbs:
- 300mg marshmallow/rapsverry leaves,
- 400mg mullein,
- 300mg passion flower
- 350mg Harmalas:
- 500mg of B. Caapi Resin 30:1 (approx. 150mg harmalas)
- 200mg Harmala HCL 95%

Made with Isopropyl 99%, but I had a hard time dissolving the B. Caapi resin, and ended up with a sticky changa, but I also read here that it wasn't necessary a bad thing... Though I'm not sure how much harmalas ended up in this blend.

 

[Tumupasa]

Welcome to the Nexus!

We are in a similar situation regarding that. Look into vaporhuasca (vaporized DMT with oral harmalas), apparently it's somewhat more ayahuasca-like than changa.

Thanks for the info big-blug, I've heard about it but never investigated this path, I certainly will! I think time will come for a full pure spice experience, but I feel more comfortable with this ayahuasca feeling for now.

 

[Tumupasa]

Welcome to the Nexus!

We are in a similar situation regarding that. Look into vaporhuasca (vaporized DMT with oral harmalas), apparently it's somewhat more ayahuasca-like than changa.

So, yesterday I read a few threads about vaporhuasca, i see there are roughly 2 ways to take it:
- vape harmalas first, then 10 minutes later, vape DMT
- take a harmala tea (syrian rue), then 30 minutes later, vape DMT

I think I would go for the Syrian Rue tea option, since I don't know if i will be able to reload the VG with DMT while Harmalas are kicking in... what would you suggest? do you have another method and dosage to recommend? I have read that people landed in some pretty wild territories by *maybe* taking too much harmalas / spice.

 

[Tripolation]

Every time I read your name, my mind sees 'Trumpusa' for some dang reason. LOL That dude got in my head man. I don't know.. tell me I am not the only one who's brain is broken in this way.

Welcome BTW! Glad you are here with is Tumupasa!

 

[blig-blug]

So, yesterday I read a few threads about vaporhuasca, i see there are roughly 2 ways to take it:
- vape harmalas first, then 10 minutes later, vape DMT
- take a harmala tea (syrian rue), then 30 minutes later, vape DMT

I think I would go for the Syrian Rue tea option, since I don't know if i will be able to reload the VG with DMT while Harmalas are kicking in... what would you suggest? do you have another method and dosage to recommend? I have read that people landed in some pretty wild territories by *maybe* taking too much harmalas / spice.

I haven't tried vaporized DMT yet (will soon), so another user will have to advise you on suggestions. But for the second option, an equivalent and probably easier to handle option would be to take extracted harmalas sublingually, in either freebase or salt form. People report needing about 50mg, and it seems to be less conductive to nausea (as nothing reaches the stomach).

 

[Skr9]

I haven't tried vaporized DMT yet (will soon), so another user will have to advise you on suggestions. But for the second option, an equivalent and probably easier to handle option would be to take extracted harmalas sublingually, in either freebase or salt form. People report needing about 50mg, and it seems to be less conductive to nausea (as nothing reaches the stomach).

Sublingual harmala causes headaches in some people. Different routes can also lead to different effects.

I don't know.. tell me I am not the only one who's brain is broken in this way.

Dudddee.... totally!
I read his nickname the same way but I didn't dare to mention it because I didn't want to steer the conversation into political territory. But man, you're not the only one who read it that way lol
I've caught myself reading it like that a couple of times too. It's impossible to live in the US and not know anything about him. It's just not possible

 

[northape]

Every time I read your name, my mind sees 'Trumpusa' for some dang reason. LOL That dude got in my head man. I don't know.. tell me I am not the only one who's brain is broken in this way.

Welcome BTW! Glad you are here with is Tumupasa!

I read it TrumpUSA first too
It's just our times, I guess.

I think I would go for the Syrian Rue tea option

I'd suggest continuing working with Caapi even for harmala extraction.
Syrian rue is a different plant than Aya and you already connected with Ayahuasca.
Not everyone here believes in plant spirits, though.

Welcome @Tumupasa and best of luck

 

[Skr9]

Syrian rue is a different plant than Aya and you already connected with Ayahuasca.

I totally agree. The effects are just different, and I find caapi works better for me. I go with rue though, mainly because it's cheaper.


Different plants have different effects, just like with shrooms.

 

[northape]

I totally agree. The effects are just different, and I find caapi works better for me. I go with rue though, mainly because it's cheaper.
Different plants have different effects, just like with shrooms.

I'd say that different plants have different spirits. Effects we get are one way of manifestation for the Spirit.
Caapi has its own set of rules and lessons, very different to Rue. It's better to work with Spirit you already have some connection to.

 

[Varallo]

@Pandora, thank you for the warm welcome!

Yes of course, i can share my process.

I stumbled upon a video on Youtube called "The Wonderful World of NN-DMT Extraction and Making Your Own Vape Pens".
Here is my process:
1- In a 1L Pyrex bottle, pour 750ml of demineralized water,
2- add 100g Lye, swirl and let it cool down a few hours.
3- Then add 100g Mimosa Hostilis
4- swirl during 3 minutes
5- add 150ml naphta
6- swirl during 3 minutes, let settle until the naphta separates from plant material and repeat this step a few more times.
7- with a pipette, suck the naphta layer and pour into a pyrex dish
8- leave 24 hours in freezer
9- keep the naphta in a flask and let dry a few hours
10- Ready
11- redo steps 6 to 9 until it isn't worth the efforts to do it.

During my first extraction , I think I shook the bottle too vigorously and had an emulsion, and I've read here that adding salt helped reducing emulsions, so now I always add approx 45g of salt.

My changa is 1:1 DMT herbs.
- 1000mg spice
- 1000mg herbs:
- 300mg marshmallow/rapsverry leaves,
- 400mg mullein,
- 300mg passion flower
- 350mg Harmalas:
- 500mg of B. Caapi Resin 30:1 (approx. 150mg harmalas)
- 200mg Harmala HCL 95%

Made with Isopropyl 99%, but I had a hard time dissolving the B. Caapi resin, and ended up with a sticky changa, but I also read here that it wasn't necessary a bad thing... Though I'm not sure how much harmalas ended up in this blend.

Hi there and welcome, a lovely introduction that is.

I am on the other side of the spectrum and don’t really believe in plant spirits, especially if you would use an extract of rue and caapi I find it hard to tell them apart,

Just a quick tip would be to use harmala freebase for changa.

 

[Skr9]

I'd say that different plants have different spirits. Effects we get are one way of manifestation for the Spirit.
Caapi has its own set of rules and lessons, very different to Rue. It's better to work with Spirit you already have some connection to.

I completely get where you're coming from and agree with you but unfortunately a lot of people here are really resistant to this idea. The statement comes off as more materialistic and 'scientific' here, even though science has turned into the new age religion.

I’d say every plant has its own spirit.

When you dig deeper, each plant has its own spirit and properties, but those who are all about science get uncomfortable because it’s not proven or confirmed by their 'priests'.

 

[northape]

I completely get where you're coming from and agree with you but unfortunately a lot of people here are really resistant to this idea. The statement comes off as more materialistic and 'scientific' here, even though science has turned into the new age religion.

I’d say every plant has its own spirit.

When you dig deeper, each plant has its own spirit and properties, but those who are all about science get uncomfortable because it’s not proven or confirmed by their 'priests'.

No problem here. We are free to believe whatever we want.
I just share my view on things and accept others. That's all.

 

[Tumupasa]

Every time I read your name, my mind sees 'Trumpusa' for some dang reason. LOL That dude got in my head man. I don't know.. tell me I am not the only one who's brain is broken in this way.

Welcome BTW! Glad you are here with is Tumupasa!

Dudddee.... totally!
I read his nickname the same way but I didn't dare to mention it because I didn't want to steer the conversation into political territory. But man, you're not the only one who read it that way lol
I've caught myself reading it like that a couple of times too. It's impossible to live in the US and not know anything about him. It's just not possible

I read it TrumpUSA first too
It's just our times, I guess.

Haha ok ok, sorry for confusing you

 

[Tumupasa]

I'd suggest continuing working with Caapi even for harmala extraction.
Syrian rue is a different plant than Aya and you already connected with Ayahuasca.
Not everyone here believes in plant spirits, though.

Welcome @Tumupasa and best of luck

That's a nice way to look at it, I think you're right and I'll keep on working with caapi. The problem is, at the moment there isn't any working method for extracting harmalas from caapi resin, it doesn't dissolve well in IPA and for using in changa there is way too much plant material.

Hi there and welcome, a lovely introduction that is.

I am on the other side of the spectrum and don’t really believe in plant spirits, especially if you would use an extract of rue and caapi I find it hard to tell them apart,

Just a quick tip would be to use harmala freebase for changa.

Thank you Varallo, yes, I understand your point of view, and I respect that.
Maybe it’s due to the way people here consume DMT — the vaporized form doesn’t have a direct connection to the plant, whereas the oral method involves ingesting actual plants.
Still, I don’t think it really matters which method people choose — the work happens either way, and those who vaporize it don’t seem to have any complaints about what they’re shown

Regarding vaporhuasca, I guess I’ll have to try all three methods — vaping the harmalas, drinking them as tea, or taking them under the tongue — and see what works best. Though with ayahuasca, I’ve pretty much come to see nausea as a sign of a good journey haha

Again thank you all for the warm welcome, I appreciate it.

 

[northape]

That's a nice way to look at it, I think you're right and I'll keep on working with caapi. The problem is, at the moment there isn't any working method for extracting harmalas from caapi resin, it doesn't dissolve well in IPA and for using in changa there is way too much plant material.

Shouldn't it be easy? Like, boil your resin in acidified water to make aya tea. Then, perform harmala extraction on that tea

 

[Skr9]

You can dissolve it in water and add a base. No problem at all.

 

[Tumupasa]

Shouldn't it be easy? Like, boil your resin in acidified water to make aya tea. Then, perform harmala extraction on that tea

You can dissolve it in water and add a base. No problem at all.

Ok, thank you, I'm pretty new to exctraction methods, I successfully did it with mimosa, following the technic described earlier but if it comes to B. Caapi's harmalas extraction, I'm in a new territory, would you mind explaining roughly how to do this?