Parshvik Chintan
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anyone well enough versed in physics confirm as legit?
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holographic principle psi phenomena
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anyone well enough versed in physics confirm as legit?
The biggest problem is that all these psy phenomena , when tested under carefully controlled experiments, have failed to hold any water or deviate at all from chance.
the other problems is that the brain is considered to large, to warm and to unstable to allow any quantum effects to last long enough without suffering decoherence, so dont make any difference to the brains functioning
the other problems is that the brain is considered to large, to warm and to unstable to allow any quantum effects to last long enough without suffering decoherence, so dont make any difference to the brains functioning
it introduced to me the term 'biophoton' and this is very pleasing
while i cannot confirm the math of the paper, the idea that structure informs photon radiation is tenable and does offer some interesting considerations regarding visible auras, something i do see
while i cannot confirm the math of the paper, the idea that structure informs photon radiation is tenable and does offer some interesting considerations regarding visible auras, something i do see
Perderabo said:
Saying anything so absolute as "all" is bound to get you in trouble. How on earth could you know that? Even someone who spent 30 years dedicating themselves to the study of parapsychology couldn't say something like that.
The fact of the matter is that the most of this research has been done by the US Military and the Russians. The Chinese still do it as well.
The idea that any of these organizations would spend billions of dollars researching something that produced absolutely no results is absurd. Furthermore, the results they did come up with tend to be classified.
Thus, I ask you... how are you so sure that such tests have failed to hold water?
Testing the psy abilities of a lab geek and determining there is nothing to the phenomenon is not the same as testing masters... who are notoriously not interested in helping you to confirm these things.
Hyperspace Fool said:
Well all that i know of. if you can point me to proper studies and tests that say differently please do so.
and i know the army did tests but unless you can point me to official documents stating the success and testing procedure then a lack of information isnt something i can use to inform me, and just because people spent money on it doesnt mean anything. do you have any clue how much money and time was spent on cold fusion? or giving lsd to people in the battle field? or many other stupid things
and since you are so open minded tell me how you can be so sure this is real? or that the reason all these so called psy masters are so notoroiusly unhelpfull to do tests under carefully controlled experiments is because they know they will fail?
When you get down to it all you need is one person to show some real psy ability a few times under proper testing conditions and this argument will be decided once and for all. untill one person can actually do that i will remain skeptical
I guess my problem is that before i believe just about anything i require this little thing called evidence
Parshvik Chintan
Rising Star
more absurd than the U.S. military's canceled plan to nuke the moon?Hyperspace Fool said:
so the general consensus is "probably not but possibly"?
I am quite sure the military is involved in all kinds of psi ops and other weird secret programs..I would be very very surprised if they did not use psychedelics in these programs as well. They probably have stargates and other strange technologies for all we know.
Why would there be so many people comming foreward still about government psi programs etc if they had discontinued these programs? Of course they are not going to tell us anything...they dont tell us much of anything about UFO's either but some of here know for a fact that they are out there becasue we have witnessed them first hand.
Why would there be so many people comming foreward still about government psi programs etc if they had discontinued these programs? Of course they are not going to tell us anything...they dont tell us much of anything about UFO's either but some of here know for a fact that they are out there becasue we have witnessed them first hand.
it was once accepted as proven mathematically that heavier than air flight was impossible
in fact, when witnesses wrote to newspapers that they had seen the Wright brothers fly it was denounced as fraud and lies because it was known to be impossible
the best thing about science is that consensus is nothing, facts are everything
there are a lot of facts about psi phenomena and a lot of first hand experiences that should not be dismissed for lack of an adequate scientific explanation
once there was a time when we could not sequence genes and did not know about DNA and lacking an explanation for heredity it was denounced as false, because it was not explained, in fact the subject of genetics was rife with controversy only a hundred years ago
it is wise to keep an open mind, to not be skeptical or doubting but to be imaginative in regard to suppositions and hypothesis for testing, rather than denounce let us test, lest we join the ranks of the ignorant who are always certain that they know what is and isn't real
in fact, when witnesses wrote to newspapers that they had seen the Wright brothers fly it was denounced as fraud and lies because it was known to be impossible
the best thing about science is that consensus is nothing, facts are everything
there are a lot of facts about psi phenomena and a lot of first hand experiences that should not be dismissed for lack of an adequate scientific explanation
once there was a time when we could not sequence genes and did not know about DNA and lacking an explanation for heredity it was denounced as false, because it was not explained, in fact the subject of genetics was rife with controversy only a hundred years ago
it is wise to keep an open mind, to not be skeptical or doubting but to be imaginative in regard to suppositions and hypothesis for testing, rather than denounce let us test, lest we join the ranks of the ignorant who are always certain that they know what is and isn't real
Skepticism is a good thing.
I am certainly not interested in trying to convince anyone of anything they don't want to believe.
Trying to get a hard boiled materialist to accept the possibility of psi phenomenon (or any other "mystical" event) is at least as difficult as trying to get an evangelical Christian to acknowledge that much of the early Bible was lifted wholesale from Sumerian mythology. (No surprise really as Abraham was the son of a Sumerian High Priest).
I am not 100% confident of consensual reality, so I am certainly not trying to convert people to believe things that lie outside their realm of experience. I am merely pointing out that saying anything with absolutes, tends to render one's argument illogical and usually demonstrates a closed mind rather than adherence to strict evidence.
I personally would have zero interest in demonstrating any phenomenal abilities to scientists. What would be the point? Seriously. Does anyone really want to become a human guinea pig, lose all personal freedoms etc.? The government would be likely to confiscate you and your brain for experiments. And even still, they would never publish the results, so the population at large would be none the wiser for your sacrifice.
If you could read minds, would you really want to prove it to some stiff jerks in lab coats?
Really?
A true psi master would be more likely found lounging on his ultra yacht anchored off his private island than in some sterile lab facility with electrodes attached to his head.
I am certainly not interested in trying to convince anyone of anything they don't want to believe.
Trying to get a hard boiled materialist to accept the possibility of psi phenomenon (or any other "mystical" event) is at least as difficult as trying to get an evangelical Christian to acknowledge that much of the early Bible was lifted wholesale from Sumerian mythology. (No surprise really as Abraham was the son of a Sumerian High Priest).
I am not 100% confident of consensual reality, so I am certainly not trying to convert people to believe things that lie outside their realm of experience. I am merely pointing out that saying anything with absolutes, tends to render one's argument illogical and usually demonstrates a closed mind rather than adherence to strict evidence.
I personally would have zero interest in demonstrating any phenomenal abilities to scientists. What would be the point? Seriously. Does anyone really want to become a human guinea pig, lose all personal freedoms etc.? The government would be likely to confiscate you and your brain for experiments. And even still, they would never publish the results, so the population at large would be none the wiser for your sacrifice.
If you could read minds, would you really want to prove it to some stiff jerks in lab coats?
Really?
A true psi master would be more likely found lounging on his ultra yacht anchored off his private island than in some sterile lab facility with electrodes attached to his head.
Parshvik Chintan
Rising Star
there is an unclassified document which records an air force investigation CONCLUDING the ufo observed was an alien spacecraft. you can read more about it in this cracked articlefractal enchantment said:
EDIT: also there are recordings of extraterrestrials dating as far back as ancient sumeria, ranging throughout hinduism and many other religions/spiritual sects/mythologies.
ancient aliens the series has some interesting thoughts on this and ley lines/ancient structures (pyramids etc), which incidently line up with an overlay of the flower of life on our globe
you can read more about that here