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How to crystalize freebase jungle/jimjam?

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SWIM has been doing a lot of work with jungle recently and he has found that it is quite hygroscopic (gooey)

Even when pure jungle is dried to a waxy resin it re-gooifies in an hour or two.

SWIM has tried dissolving it in water (freebase DMT is insoluble, but jungle + N-oxides dissolve well) and evaporating slowly but a gooey product was still achieved.

SWIM has heard about manual recrystallization but he thinks it may be different for something so hygroscopic he recently melted some white freebase DMT and it is now quite solid and handle-able without anything but a cool room. The same would not be true with jimjam/jungle

Even though SWIM's tek is mostly non-toxic, all methods are welcome solvent based and alike.

Thanks in advance!
 
SWIM found that freebase jungle that was made by basing the evapped vinegar/acetic pull from limo does NOT crystalize/harden, while freebase that came from FASI/FASW DOES crystalize/harden up considerably. It remain waxy but quite hard, definitely not gooey. I guess acetic pulls more oils.. how was SWIY's freebase made?
 
Would it mess up the heat induced freebase conversion to just add some dried Caapi leaf to the vinegar solution before drying fully. I guess this might be obvious and therefore newbie rhetorical mouthy-ness. However, it seemed like-- in so far as Full Spectrum Changa was the goal-- and being that now the *proof* is out-- that why not add an herb or other absorbant material during the acetic drying process. Even for storage for Pharma, some thing that would filter out after re-solution-fying it. How about shredded rice paper rolling papers.
 
q21q21 said:
SWIM has heard about manual recrystallization but he thinks it may be different for something so hygroscopic he recently melted some white freebase DMT and it is now quite solid and handle-able without anything but a cool room. The same would not be true with jimjam/jungle
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Is it full-range? Or is it the leftovers of a naptha pull? SWIM's only ever tried doing it with full-range, and it works wonderfully. But SWIY tried it with white freebase, and it worked well? As in a chunk of white freebase?
 
My one jungle extraction was done with xylene, I still have lump of red, wax-crayon consistency jungle, it has some crystalline edges and dried fine. It took a little while with a computer fan and some manual re-x but it hardened into a little lump and has maintained its solid state, not gooifying in the least over the past 8 months or so.

SB

EDIT: This was done in the South Eastern US in the summer, it was hot and humid, but didn't seem to matter.
 
Was any of you ever able to crystalize acetate that has been freebased? SWIM never, even after ages of stiring rescraping and letting it dry in favourable climate.. It was beautiful, but still a goo :D and with q21 having been experimenting with acetates lately, maybe this would be a reason. Unless other people did have success this way.. ?
 
Thanks for the insights folks.

SWIM was thinking that maybe using 50/50 vinegar and water would reduce the gooeyness.

SWIM was actually thinking of an alternative method which he needs to test.
Since jungle and N-oxides are water-soluble then the mix could simply be kept in a tincture, cloudy with the white freebase, The mix would be shaken well and added dropwise onto the bowl/copper then either left to dry or just slowly smoked (along with some steam)

Thoughts?
 
SWIM found a way to deal with the jungle, though the long-term storage is completely un-known, it allows jungle freebase to be added extremely easily, very accurately and DROPWISE :D

Here is what SWIM just added to his TEK

-The easiest method SWIM has found for dealing with the goo is to dissolve it in 1ml boiling (or close to) water per 200mg of FREEBASE goo (more could be used, but it's a round number.

-Just use a medicine or eye dropper to measure the water, mix the goo well and likely not all of it will dissolve, that's expected. Suck the goo up and ideally put it in a tincture bottle (like herbal extracts come in)

-SWIM has not tested the long term stability of a tincture, He's currently only used it once.

But here is how it went:
His dropper uses 20 drops per ml. So he swirled the bottle while taking a dropper-full, gently rocked the dropper and deposited 3 drops (30mg) on the copper of his "the-machine in bubbler stem* (amor-fati's machine-bubbler design)

SWIM surely could have waited for the drops to dry, but he figured smoking .15ml of vaporized water (OH NO!) wouldn't hurt.
The experience was successful and very pleasant (jimjam tends to be) SWIM got up right after and sat at his (slightly morphing) computer screen because he was so excited it worked and wanted to post it
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q21q21 said:
But here is how it went:
His dropper uses 20 drops per ml. So he swirled the bottle while taking a dropper-full, gently rocked the dropper and deposited 3 drops (30mg) on the copper of his "the-machine in bubbler stem* (amor-fati's machine-bubbler design)

SWIM surely could have waited for the drops to dry, but he figured smoking .15ml of vaporized water (OH NO!) wouldn't hurt.
The experience was successful and very pleasant (jimjam tends to be) SWIM got up right after and sat at his (slightly morphing) computer screen because he was so excited it worked and wanted to post it
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Sounds great! SWIM had considered ways to add product to his device as a liquid long ago, but none seemed feasible. He's glad all this acetate hubbub finally made it a possibility. Great catch! SWIM may give this a go in his inspirator sometime.
 
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