how to make the cleanest spice possible

[artaylor7785]

ok dont want to sound like a snob, but when it comes to my "drugs" SWIM is one...SWIM wont even smoke pot unless its heady....anyways that is why it brings me to this post...SWIM performed the lazyman tek a few days ago with success, although the product seemed REALLY chemically, it smelled like the mimosa and lye "soup". SWIM did everything by the book, only maybe not letting it evaporate to its full potential. so i ask you, the ones at home who knows this art......how does one make "clean" dmt. doesnt matter if its crystals though, it sounds nice, but enhanced leaf would be great too, as long as its CLEAN, so what tek would one recommend? SWIM would prefer N-dmt (i hope i spelled that right) over jungle spice. thank you and thanks for the great site
love light- spice

 

[WSaged]

SWIM did everything by the book, only maybe not letting it evaporate to its full potential.

I think you answered your own question there man...

As far as I know, all of these teks end up at the same place, it's how detailed you do the work, that makes a difference.


Also, maybe try a tek that doesn't have the word "lazy" in the title.


WS

 

[Jorkest]

warrensaged has done some awesome recrystallizations...also i just learned of a new method of possibly getting absolutely pure dmt..and that is through using a sublimator..what this does is vaporizes the dmt and then uses a coldfinger that the vaporized dmt collects on because its cold! this way you can separate every alkaloid based on its boiling point

 

[DubRules]

dont use the lazy mans tek. use nomans tek. same supplies and whatnot, but way better. heat the jars in a crock pot when doing the extractions. freeze precipitate, dont evaporate. ammonia wash after collecting spice. all these help big time.

 

[benzyme]

using a sublimator..

indeed

with just the right amount of reduced pressure and temp, this yields absolute dmt., >99%. the stuff is clear, not white

 

[DubRules]

also, be sure that you are being a snob about potency, not what it looks like. the best spice i have ever had was dark dark yellow while my pure white spice was just adequate.

 

[West-en]

I don't really see your problem. Just recrystallize your spice one or two times until you have perfectly white crystals (this is pure DMT). Instructions are all over the place, you can't really miss them. Just take your yield and dissolve it in a minimum amount of naphtha (or better, heptane/hexane), from which you then freeze precipitate cleaner crystals. When you have these you can chose to make changa or smoke it as it is.

 

[artaylor7785]

awesome info, much appreciated, i believe i will try nomans tek, but is there something else i can use other than a crockpot, i have a pressure cooker, and maybe just leave the lid off? and yea i just havent learned how to recrystalize...thanks for teaching me tho.....wherer would one obtain hexane? or heptane? and please, keeping adding to this thread, i think its very informative for the new comers

 

[noothgrush]

with just the right amount of reduced pressure and temp, this yields absolute dmt., >99%. the stuff is clear, not white

I don't really see your problem. Just recrystallize your spice one or two times until you have perfectly white crystals (this is pure DMT).

Through recrystallization SWIM got some clear crystals, what's the difference between these and the white ones? I assume the clear ones are purer, but what is it that makes the white spice white?

 

[psychosisdoses]

the quickest way to clean crystals is researching prior to doing the extraction
not following step by step
but understanding what your doing and why

start here

 

[acolon_5]

First off, don't use a STB if you want the cleanest spice possible.

Start with vinegar (white distilled) and water...defat your acid cooks.

Basify to 11.5-12.5 and extract with naphtha (100mL per 250g bark). Pull the naphtha off after only 5-10 minutes. This first pull will be your cleanest. Continue to pull reusing the naphtha. before freezing, do a sodium carbonate wash on all of your naphtha. (do a search, I have my tek somewhere on the wiki).

Recrystalize 2x with heptane (bestine). Don't freeze the final recrystalization, but leave to SLOWLY evap in a dark place that won't vibrate. Come back in 2-3 days and find the clearest, cleanest, smoothest, glass shard looking spice you will ever find.

1" long xtal clusters that are completely see through.

 

[benzyme]

what is it that makes the white spice white?

good question, and the best way to answer it is with analytical equipment or a specific reagent test.
i speculate it may be crystal complexes formed with higher melting simple tryptamines like NMT.

a properly recrystallized product may give dmt freebase crystals, but if it's pure enough, it won't stay crystalline
for long at room temp. dmt's melting point is in the low to mid 40's, celsius.

 

[WSaged]

what is it that makes the white spice white?

A lot of times the white color is just light reflecting off of cracks & facets of clear crystals.
If looked at under a microscope, you can see that the crystal itself is actually clear, but with all these little cracks, bumps, peaks & valleys etc, that reflect & bend the light in random ways, making it look white when viewed with the naked eye.
Just like the facets (the cut sides) of a diamond, except there's a whole lot more of them & they are much smaller & random.

This will happen more, the faster the DMT crystals are precipitated out of the solvent.
After completing a good, pure extraction & then using freeze precipitation, will usually yield small, white crystals that are actually clear under a microscope. Just with jagged & sharp edges that reflect as white.

Also, the more movement in the solvent while the crystals are growing, results in smaller crystals, with more facets resulting in a whiter color.
If you can resist moving the container at all while a room temp recrystallization is taking place (takes around 7 days) & it is on a solid surface, with no vibrations.
You too can get pure DMT crystals that are as clear as glass!!
But it's not for the "Lazyman"!!

(Obviously both of the suggestions above require that a quality extraction has been done & that the spice is of very high purity already.)

This requires some time & some patience!!
At different times throughout the extraction/cleaning process, I probably filter my bark solution/solvents/other liquids... 100's of times during one extraction!!
Sometimes it may take an hour for the liquid to finish filtering completely!!
Sometimes one filtration isn't enough & I have to do it 2-3 times. (equaling 3-4 hours of waiting for filtering!)
So I do it!
I also get beautiful full crystal formations!! (check em out here!!) (Those are 100% clear shards making up the formations you see there. They look white from farther away though, because the light can only go through 1 or 2 of them before it's blurred together & appearing as white. In the 2nd pic you can see how clear they are along the top of the largest formation.)
And more importantly, I also completely understand what I'm doing now.
Enough to make little modifications here & there to help speed things up it I can. Or to decide whether or not I even need to be doing certain steps at all! Some times they can be redundant in certain teks...


BTW, there is also white spice that has something in it other than DMT. Could be a lot of things though, I've not had that issue before so I'm not the one to spectate on what it could be.

Cheers!
WS

 

[West-en]

Through recrystallization SWIM got some clear crystals, what's the difference between these and the white ones? I assume the clear ones are purer, but what is it that makes the white spice white?

Well DMT is colourless. One should note that most colourless crystals appear white when you look at it in powderform (scattering light all over the place = white appearance).

But that's not the whole story. As far as I know, DMT is polymorphic. This means that it can appear in different crystal structures. I'm not completely sure about this, so don't take this as the truth, but I highly suspect some phase change is happening when the DMT-vapour condense. It does not seem condense into the crystal structure observed from crystal growing. Different structures can change the melting point of the substance, but since many describe a waxy, non-crystal appearance after condensing I highly suspect the DMT has been transformed into an amorphous state (high cooling rates often seem to do this).

This means that the molecules are not in any specific order and there's no real melting point. Instead the viscosity change along with the temperature until it's fully fluid. When it cools again (slowly) the molecules should put themselves in a crystal structure, and therefore appear as white crystals again (when powderized of course). Another way the recrystallize it (in this fashion) is to dissolve it in some solvent and then evaporate (familiar, isn't it?), this gives the DMT-molecules a long time to build up a crystal structure with a defined melting point.

Observe that different crystal structures won't affect the purity. The reason why DMT gets purer after the cold finger-method is simply because it only evaporates DMT and not the impurities. The state or appearance of DMT (white and crystal or clear and waxy) should not be seen as any evidence of purity.

Never seen anyone writing about this before, so I may be wrong. Someone who knows facts?

 

[noothgrush]

Very interesting, I guess I didn't think the "fragmentation" would have that much of an effect. Thanks for the replies benzyme, warrensaged and West-en!

Observe that different crystal structures won't affect the purity. The reason why DMT gets purer after the cold finger-method is simply because it only evaporates DMT and not the impurities. The state or appearance of DMT (white and crystal or clear and waxy) should not be seen as any evidence of purity.

I assume you mean that clear big crystals aren't necessarily cleaner than white powdery ones, but are you also saying that perfectly clear crystals aren't necessarily 99.9% pure?

 

[West-en]

I assume you mean that clear big crystals aren't necessarily cleaner than white powdery ones, but are you also saying that perfectly clear crystals aren't necessarily 99.9% pure?

That's what I mean. Many people seemed to think of this condensed form of DMT as purer because of the looks of it (clear and waxy) so I just wanted to make it clear that the looks are separated from the purity. Both the high purity and the clear and waxy nature of it derives from the sublimator though, but 100.00% clean spice can sure exist in both the form of a white powder and a clear and waxy condensed product.
Did I make it any clearer or just more confusing?