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I feel very confused during and after

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SnipeCookie

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[I have tried to google this but only come across threads of people being confused about prep/dosing/extracting/ect]

My experience level
I've tried the spice a handful of times now, the first couple times I put the FB spice onto herbs in my portable vaporizer but I seemed to be wasting too much this way and not getting enough into me. I bought a dab rig and wasted a few hundred mg by burning it and now I infuse peppermint leaves 1:1 in IPA



The experience
(I'm not a smoker, I vape cannabis for my crohns and use a bong on occasion)
My initial pulls usually make me want to cough but I load anywhere from 50-100mg of spice into the bowl and take in what I can until I feel I need to put the rig down. During my trips I just feel very confused and instead of enjoying the visuals I keep thinking "wtf is happening" and feel the need to figure out what happened, I go over how I got to where I am and tell myself "That bong has spice in it, I smoked it and now I'm here" and when I come down (physically feel like I'm being lowered down) I keep the confusion of "wtf is happening, where am I, what did I just do"



I hope this makes sense because even as I try to recall the trip I'm still confused about it all.


My first few tries with it in FB on top of peppermint or initially on cannabis ash I knew what was going on and recall being in some sort of doctors office/waiting room on two occasions. These last few tries I can't remember what happened and have to fight off confusion for 10-20 minutes after coming down.

Just trying to see if anyone else experienced this and figured out why
-are my doses too large?
-is the isopropyl alcohol having an effect?
-does it have something to do with my meals before hand?
 
I would try a lower dose. Higher doses can be a little overwhelming. Too much information at once.

Try setting the intention of order and seek to concentrate your mind on one thing. If you would like better recall or a less chaotic experience there are many ways to ground off.

Some of DMT is going to be just completely confounding. Just watch it and try and relax. Just observe the chaos. Try and remove yourself from it. Imagine yourself outside looking in.

Enjoy the journey and the "WTF moments"! It is fun to see such weird things. It can become more comfortable if you don't buy into the sideshows. Easy to get pulled off in many directions. The mind races to figure it out. It wants to know what this is and that is. You don't know and have no reference. Just watch it and say 'WTF!'.

I am sure many of us have uttered 'WTF!' many times after a DMT journey. I know I have. 'WTF!' and 'Holy Sh&t!' over and over. :surprised :shock: I enjoy those moments to be honest!
 
Perhaps the inability to find a post is because of the ubiquity of this. I don't think any of us have gone into hyperspace and come back with a surety of what we experienced. It took me a few times before i learned to not try to grasp at the experience as it occurs, and let it percolate through my consciousness afterwards. This "passive integration" allows me the occasional 'aha' moment and spontaneous recall of certain parts of any given trip.
 
DmnStr8 said:
I would try a lower dose. Higher doses can be a little overwhelming. Too much information at once.

Try setting the intention of order and seek to concentrate your mind on one thing. If you would like better recall or a less chaotic experience there are many ways to ground off.

Some of DMT is going to be just completely confounding. Just watch it and try and relax. Just observe the chaos. Try and remove yourself from it. Imagine yourself outside looking in.

Enjoy the journey and the "WTF moments"! It is fun to see such weird things. It can become more comfortable if you don't buy into the sideshows. Easy to get pulled off in many directions. The mind races to figure it out. It wants to know what this is and that is. You don't know and have no reference. Just watch it and say 'WTF!'.

I am sure many of us have uttered 'WTF!' many times after a DMT journey. I know I have. 'WTF!' and 'Holy Sh&t!' over and over. :surprised :shock: I enjoy those moments to be honest!
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I will try a lighter dosage, I've been trying to get as much as possible to make sure I break through and maybe keep it longer. I usually get a third to half of the bowl smoked before I cant hold onto the rig anymore.

I will do my best to let go and stop trying to figure out what's happening and just watch, it was a lot the first couple sessions, I would like to get back there.
Now I'm eager to try it again :)
 
null24 said:
Perhaps the inability to find a post is because of the ubiquity of this. I don't think any of us have gone into hyperspace and come back with a surety of what we experienced. It took me a few times before i learned to not try to grasp at the experience as it occurs, and let it percolate through my consciousness afterwards. This "passive integration" allows me the occasional 'aha' moment and spontaneous recall of certain parts of any given trip.
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Hopefully I can manage to do that soon
 
Hi there SnipeCookie!

I have one question and two friendly suggestions for you.

How often do you smoalk?

Try lowering the dose. I know for me it only takes between 20-30 mg to break through to the other side :)

Also, try improving your smoking technics. There are a lot of info on this here at the Nexus.

Don't be obsessive about breaking through. A breakthrough experience is very profound and can be really confusing to say the least.

Do learn to appreciate the milder experiences the so called sub-breakthroughs these are very beautiful aswell and much easier to remember 8)

Well I see now that I gave you 3 suggestions but all meant in a good way! Good luck on your cosmic quest :)
 
I would try a lower dose. Higher doses can be a little overwhelming. Too much information at once.
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I strongly diagree. I would guess that a lower dose would compound "the problem".
If you are truly overwhelmed, there is less space for doubts, confusion etc. You're more forced to just accept the experience for what it is.

One idea is to tell yourself "This is what i wanted, i accept whatever happens to me. If its confusion - fine. I'm giving myself completly over to the experience"

You can try to live that during the experience and i'm certain it will make a differenc.
 
obliguhl said:
I would try a lower dose. Higher doses can be a little overwhelming. Too much information at once.
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I strongly diagree. I would guess that a lower dose would compound "the problem".
If you are truly overwhelmed, there is less space for doubts, confusion etc. You're more forced to just accept the experience for what it is.

One idea is to tell yourself "This is what i wanted, i accept whatever happens to me. If its confusion - fine. I'm giving myself completly over to the experience"

You can try to live that during the experience and i'm certain it will make a differenc.
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* takes advice * trip is too much * comes back down in to psychotic breakdown * is admitted into a mental institution
 
* takes advice * trip is too much * comes back down in to psychotic breakdown * is admitted into a mental institution
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Whatever man...if you are decided to smoke spice than do that. If you are scared then stop.
Always a good idea to start small. Won't help you with the problem in question though.

I know of no statistics that tell me there is a substantial risk of having a psychotic break. Please back up your statements with actual research.
 
When I discovered dmt I first had a few high doses which took on a pattern of, having a crazy experience and knowing something amazing had happened but then having this profound stage of forgetting everything I'd experienced to the point that I would have 0 memory of what happened other than knowing it was amazing. This left me pretty confused, I did have some memorable experiences but for the most part they were forgotten until I eventually had a very heavy hyper slap which scared me away from the spice for a while.

When I got back into smoking it again, I approached it more carefully by starting at a dose around 10mg and meditating, through doing this I learned what I could do to submit to the experience and also how I can navigate the experience. I would stick to a dosage until I felt the experience was telling me I was ready to go deeper and then I'd increase in increments of 5mg until I found my sweet spot (a dose which you can smoke without fear and being overwhelmed but can still break through on.

This is what has worked for me and anyone I've introduced to dmt has had positive experiences in processing slowly at a dose they can integrate.
 
doing this I learned what I could do to submit to the experience and also how I can navigate the experience.
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Of course, this is another way to approach this. Perhaps even better because it allows you to actually work on "letting go". :?:
 
Similarly to the other respondents

In my experiance a carefully titrated dose is very important the times I smoked unknown amounts like you described (even 50mg) is very high imo) I felt the successive ""waves"" of the drug hitting me due to the few second delay between hit and effect

Like being caught in the surf getting pummeled after I was already reeling from the last deluge of receptor activity the last hit would again crash over me.

After a few times of this I moved to a glass nail, weighed 20-30 mg Heated. Dumped. Inhaled. And there was always a little left slowly vapeing (I used low temp tek) so i would normally take a second inhale
but I knew the amount was AT MOST the amount I had weighed so I had an understanding of ~generally ~ where I was gonna go

Hope this helps good luck
 
Another said:
Hi there SnipeCookie!

I have one question and two friendly suggestions for you.

How often do you smoalk?

Try lowering the dose. I know for me it only takes between 20-30 mg to break through to the other side :)

Also, try improving your smoking technics. There are a lot of info on this here at the Nexus.

Don't be obsessive about breaking through. A breakthrough experience is very profound and can be really confusing to say the least.

Do learn to appreciate the milder experiences the so called sub-breakthroughs these are very beautiful aswell and much easier to remember 8)

Well I see now that I gave you 3 suggestions but all meant in a good way! Good luck on your cosmic quest :)
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I actually haven't in about a week, I will be doing so again later today and I will only load 30mg into the bowl this time. I do appreciate the OEV with lighter doses or shortly after coming down.

I actually ordered harmalas from eBay and I will try changa once they arrive.
 
obliguhl said:
One idea is to tell yourself "This is what i wanted, i accept whatever happens to me. If its confusion - fine. I'm giving myself completly over to the experience"

You can try to live that during the experience and i'm certain it will make a differenc.
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I will definitely tell myself this before my next session
 
Pile of cats said:
When I discovered dmt I first had a few high doses which took on a pattern of, having a crazy experience and knowing something amazing had happened but then having this profound stage of forgetting everything I'd experienced to the point that I would have 0 memory of what happened other than knowing it was amazing. This left me pretty confused, I did have some memorable experiences but for the most part they were forgotten until I eventually had a very heavy hyper slap which scared me away from the spice for a while.

When I got back into smoking it again, I approached it more carefully by starting at a dose around 10mg and meditating, through doing this I learned what I could do to submit to the experience and also how I can navigate the experience. I would stick to a dosage until I felt the experience was telling me I was ready to go deeper and then I'd increase in increments of 5mg until I found my sweet spot (a dose which you can smoke without fear and being overwhelmed but can still break through on.

This is what has worked for me and anyone I've introduced to dmt has had positive experiences in processing slowly at a dose they can integrate.
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Orbiting said:
Similarly to the other respondents

In my experiance a carefully titrated dose is very important the times I smoked unknown amounts like you described (even 50mg) is very high imo) I felt the successive ""waves"" of the drug hitting me due to the few second delay between hit and effect

Like being caught in the surf getting pummeled after I was already reeling from the last deluge of receptor activity the last hit would again crash over me.

After a few times of this I moved to a glass nail, weighed 20-30 mg Heated. Dumped. Inhaled. And there was always a little left slowly vapeing (I used low temp tek) so i would normally take a second inhale
but I knew the amount was AT MOST the amount I had weighed so I had an understanding of ~generally ~ where I was gonna go

Hope this helps good luck
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It sounds like I need to start at lower dosages again and go up from there, hopefully that will help with the confusion.


The other thing that has changed since my first couple sessions is the music. I was listening to "penal gland activation" music on youtube from searching "dmt music" on youtube (lol) and the later sessions I listened to "regular" music (indie/rock) not just to have music but to also drown out background noises
 
I have since tried again twice with about 30mg of spice in enhanced peppermint leaf. I went in with the goal of letting go and not trying to think about things and get confused. Neither time resulted in a breakthrough. On Tuesday I had gotten my FB harmalas in the mail so I made 1:1 changa with the harmalas, spice and mullein.

Yesterday I tried some of this changa, first I loaded in 30mg (10mg spice) just to see how I will react to the harmalas. I also added a few mg of the peppermint enhanced leaf onto the top. It went down a lot smoother but didn't have much of an effect.

Then I loaded 90mg (30mg spice) and I broke through. I can't even begin to explain what I saw but I remember what I felt. I felt the largest amount of happiness I have ever felt! I can't explain what was happening that made me feel this way but it felt so "weird" maybe different is a better word. I don't mean to come across as generally depressed or anything but the joy I felt was amazing and I can't recall a time I felt that way.

My eyes were closed but every so often I would get this urge to rub my eyes but I had a big stupid grin on my face and was clenching the pillow I laid on. Turns out I was rubbing my eyes to wipe the tears away, I was so happy that I was crying :lol:

I've told one of my good friends about what happened last night and I felt so odd to be talking about randomly feeling so much happiness that I literally cried, its almost embarrassing.

It seemed to last so long but I didn't check a clock before or after to know how long it really was, but if I had to guess I would say 15-25 minutes.

After that time I still felt so much happiness, I just sat on my couch and stared outside at the blue sky and the trees thinking how even though I am going through some hard times right now (not sure how long I will be living in my current house) there was always joy in just being outside in nature and enjoying the gorgeous days we are starting to get here on the west coast. But that's probably enough ranting, I just wanted to say how thankful I am for this forum and the wealth of knowledge embedded here. Even though sometimes it's confusing or hard to find, it has taught me a lot :d


:love:
 
I'm so happy for you!
Yes, isn't it beautiful and weird and fantastic!
Changa is my first choice every day of the week. I think it has a lot more soul
and the experiences are a lot more integrated with wonderful afterglows and contemplation.

Thank you for the update! Pzzzzz
 
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