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DrAcai

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I read some of Rick Strassman's "DMT: The spirit molecule" and he reports that some of the participants had slightly worse experiences than the others.

As an example, most of us have read about how Ken's journey went. [Those who haven't here's a link to it: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/handleggur/KenLight.jpg ]. In short he got anally penetrated by alien alligators. Is that something common? What kinds of people get as seriously struck by the cosmic forces as Ken did? I see that Strassman emphasizes the part about Ken's MDMA addiction. Does that apply to all addictions? Including daily cannabis-usage and a weekly, or so, ingestion of alcohol during the weekend?
Is it the way Ken looks at himself? I see myself as a quite flashy-dressed individual compared to others. Although I do not consider myself better than everyone. I do not drive around riding a loud chopper but I do some times in my free time drive my friends around in a van blasting some loud techno music. Is that something that which might affect my time in hyperspace?

Is it that Ken was not in touch with his emotions and acted only on instinct? Is it Ken's alter-ego? His lack of previously having sought mental aid? Was it Ken's lack of sense for oneness and hope?

I remain pondering.
 
Only Ken or his therapist could tell you about all that.

I'd say just treat that story as a trip report and don't think too much about the substance used as much as the amount used. First of all it sounded like he went in way too deep way too soon. That's my one issue with this clinical trial. I'd never IV a large amount of DMT, never mind going straight into it. That's just crazy. I personally have never had a classic bad trip on DMT. It just doesn't seem to be wired that way. Sure, sometimes it has been a bit dysphoric and very often quite intense, but it has never given me that "all hope is lost" feeling I have had with LSD and mushrooms.

If you work with DMT properly, you should build a positive relationship with it before you go wondering too far. For me the body high and the mood that comes with using DMT is quite blissful, so as long as you get farmiliar with that feeling all shouldn't seem "too alien" (bad choice of words maybe? :) ) but maybe more farmiliar like a long lost loved one, as it always seems to hold my hand :)

All in all I don't think taking psychedelics depends much on who you are, as much as how YOU feel about who you are.
 
I've been wondering this too. Can one relate it to a near-death experience or a dream, in the sense that one's self truly creates this imagery? They say people can go to hell or go to heaven in a near-death experience. One can go to hell or go to heaven in a dream. Can you easily relate this to the dmt state?

I had a dream that I was running from an officer of the law, because I was a man wearing women's clothing. However, weird or outlandish this seems, it obviously tells me a lot about myself. If I were raped by alligators in a dream, I would definitely consider it a sign. I believe that only I create all the imagery and senses that I encounter in a dream, maybe not consciously, that would be lucid dreaming. Can dmt be compared well to a lucid dream, or simply a dream or near-death experience? If so, I would assume that one's fortitude, character, imagination, and practically everything about a person will and can affect a person in the dmt state.

I have no real experience with dmt, so this is all bullsh8t. I bet the questions are ignorant, as well.
 
The really cool thing about vaped DMT, is that if you get anally raped by alligators like Ken, it only lasts for about 5 minutes.:d

It is possible that you will have a tough experience even if you think you are a well balanced, positive person with a good set and setting (I speak from personal experience here), but it will end soon and everything will go back to the way it was before. The feeling of relief when one figures out that the reality they were experiencing is not permanent can be euphoric. That's what I chose to take away from my "bad trip".

Pokey
 
Pokey said:
The really cool thing about vaped DMT, is that if you get anally raped by alligators like Ken, it only lasts for about 5 minutes.
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I've heard of people waking up from a trip with the feeling that numerous lifetimes had passed. Is that common or does time flow like it does over here? Does that too depend on everything else?
 
I've had time slow down and speed up. I've been in trips that seems to last for weeks. I once had a DEEP salvia experience in which my body was a giant super city, and I witnessed millions of years of creation and destruction. I've also had experiences that went deep but seemed to end as soon as I got where I was going. Time is a funny thing when journeying with entheogens.
 
Sorry, but no alien alligators to report here. :(

There are many different types of experiences that one can have on DMT. Often the differences are a function of dose, but mood and mental state (set) and to a lesser degree environment (setting) can influence the nature of the experience.

Lower doses (sub-breakthrough, just barely breakthrough) can be therapeutic, introspective, and difficult: it’s like holding up a mirror and seeing your “true” self, unencumbered by the everyday defenses we keep in place. Seeing yourself as you really are can be emotionally difficult, but in the end very beneficial. (And you’ll be surprised at how many defenses we put up just to function in everyday life.)

Slightly higher doses (breakthrough, but just barely) are usually pleasant. It’s clear that the imagery one sees at this level is a hybrid of one’s subconscious and “something else”. You are usually still aware of your body (even if you don’t happen to be in it!) and somewhat in control of the experience.

For me, high doses produce an experience that is self-evidently real and not a product of my mind. I have had some very deep spiritual experiences at this level: belief-changing experiences. At this level, the mind/spirit is freed from the body, and one is fully immersed in their new surroundings. Although the experience may be very detailed and intense, retaining specific memories can be challenging.

There is another level that is far beyond the “high dose” level, and seems to be the result of not only dose, but also how rapidly the dose is administered. Unimaginable beauty in a totally alien environment. A certain belief that you’ve died. On return, a belief that you’ll be unable to function in society after having witnessed what you’ve just seen. I’ve had one experience (out of hundreds) like this, and all I can say about this level if you ever encounter it is this: be prepared.

Keep in mind that these comments are based on my subjective experiences, and others may experience things very differently. Also keep in mind that it’s not as simple as I portray it – a particular dosage doesn’t guarantee a particular type of experience. But generally, you won’t have the deeper experiences on the lower dosages.

Regarding time: there’s always significant time dilation for me. An experience will seem to go on for 30 minutes, an hour, maybe longer, and when I’m back I’m astonished to see that only 10 minutes have passed.
 
"There is another level that is far beyond the “high dose” level, and seems to be the result of not only dose, but also how rapidly the dose is administered. Unimaginable beauty in a totally alien environment. A certain belief that you’ve died. On return, a belief that you’ll be unable to function in society after having witnessed what you’ve just seen. I’ve had one experience (out of hundreds) like this, and all I can say about this level if you ever encounter it is this: be prepared."



So true gibran2. That is exactly how SWIM was able to breakthrough on just 15mg once. He too has discovered that the RATE at which the spice enters one's blood has a HUGE impact, not just the size of the dose alone. On this particular journey, SWIM found himself floating in a room verryy far away filled with glowing orb shaped entities. They were multicoloured and knew they had a visitor. To his amazement, the room resembled a scientific laboratory with equipment everywhere. There was what appeared to be chemisty glassware in ther too! The entities were working on something, then directed their attention to me for a moment, then when right back to doing what they were doing as I faded back to this world. He lost all contact with his physical body during the peak and was just a pinpoint of pure consciousness. On thing is for certain: very little can prepare you for when it happens like you said.
 
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...He too has discovered that the RATE at which the spice enters one's blood has a HUGE impact, not just the size of the dose alone.
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Yes! This doesn’t seem to be talked about much here. Maybe it’s because most devices/techniques require a relatively slow administration in order to avoid burning DMT. I know that’s how it was for me before I got a glass Vapor Genie.

But with a good technique and device, a full dose of pure (unburned) DMT can be inhaled in as little as 10 seconds. This effects both the intensity and “character” of the experience in very significant ways.

(And I wouldn’t recommend such rapid administration to someone who isn’t experienced – it can be very overwhelming.)
 
Swim has a homemade custom smoking device for vaping spice, he uses it exclusively for spice. He's hoping to do a construction tutorial with pics when he has the time. With it he can get lots of thick white vapor in a short time but its tricky to do. Alot of factors com into play like lighter temp, distance from bowl to flame, duration, and inhalation speed, and even the lighter approach angle. The angle depends on the shape of the bowl, for me its about 30 degrees from vertical. With his custom bubbler, vaporisation happens very fast if he hits it just right.

As you were iterating, such rapid delivery would be intense for the unexperienced. It definitely shocked SWIM. He was rendered speechless when he came back.
 
I think Ken was a rapist and didn't feel too good about it. Probably looked at himself as some kind of an alligator. I remember now an old song lyric from my country that talks about a rapist called the crocodile man.
 
Thanks everyone for the insightful and positive answers. I sure look forward to when the time comes that DMT enters my mental spectrum.

I think Ken was a rapist and didn't feel too good about it. Probably looked at himself as some kind of an alligator. I remember now an old song lyric from my country that talks about a rapist called the crocodile man.
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That explains why he got punished that way by those crocodile beings. But on the other hand your thought is just another theory.
 
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