I think I'm starting to get it now

[dmtk2852]

Hello,
This is being posted literally minutes after my fourth breakthrough DMT trip(that I can remember well), I'm still experiencing mild effects, mainly that I can't stop grinning and laughing:d :lol:
I'm discovering that each trip I learn and remember more.
Here's what I have to say: I loaded a pipe using herbal tea as my base, this particular tea contains only Hibiscus, chamomile, rose, orange blossoms, peppermint spearmint and spice(not dmt, I'm reading the ingredients)
I was nervous before, now I realize how silly that was, there's nothing to fear from THIS experience. I feel the familiar effects of the beginnings of the trip after two hits, on my third hit I realize that it's time.
I put down the pipe and see the ceiling is morphing, that's when I realize what people say about your eyes being open or closed does not matter. I close my eyes anyways because I prefer that to just a ceiling. As I breakthrough all the beings start to flood out from the center, many of them are in my peripheral and they are female and male, female on the right as usual for me. In the middle is where I focus my attention, I told myself before this trip that I would try and PAY ATTENTION, and not forget everything five minutes after and that is exactly what I did.
In the center is a geometric object, three dimensional, I'm not sure the word for it but it is two pyramids joined at the base, I guess a diamond?
In this diamond are crawling snakelike patterns of so many colors you can't even imagine, in the patterns I can even make out words, letters not sure what they said, maybe love and peace or something.
I also got a feeling that I was outdoors and for the first time ever I saw images from our real world in my trip. I saw a woman walking down a ramp with railing on the side, she was outside in a beautiful lush mountain land, but this was something from our world make no mistake, I get the feeling that it might have been my mother.
As the trip began to wind down all the beings began to fold back into the diamond object, I even asked them if this was all in my head, and a subconscious reply was "Of course". But I'm a rationalist so that's just my own view. I also asked them if they were real, but this time they did not respond. So now I'm getting the idea that the trip is all in our head, but maybe the entities are real in some way? As they folded back they again reached out to me to shake my hand, and as always I hold out my hand in real life and feel their embrace and the connection between our two worlds.
Anyhow, I have typed a lot but I have to do something creative after my trip. I was a journalist in high school, so writing is something I pride myself on.
Now I will go for a walk through beautiful Raton, New Mexico have dinner and perhaps later have another one of these adventures. I have nothing to fear now, I almost want to pick up the pipe and do it again, but I have more self control than that.
Thank you for reading and giving me your valuable time

 

[ewok]

Sounds like a deep experience, but just wanted to say while losing the fear can be good don't lose respect for how deep it can go or the fear will come back.

 

[dmtk2852]

Yes, I actually had a second experience tonight and it was so different from my others. For one I kept my eyes open, which provided for some interesting patters on my ceiling. Each line had its own moving world within it. I then took repeated hits from the pipe and when I closed my eyes for a second trip I saw this most beautiful purple color, unlike any purple I had seen before and all the entities were made from this. I also experienced some memories from childhood, just various memories of my mom saying my name. It was so weird, I actually had to go outside for a walk and reflect on this experience.
Either way I won't being doing DMT again for some time, at least a few months I had planned for this to be my last trip.
But I shall return as I told the entities.
Thanks for your comment

 

[ewok]

Most of my profound dmt excursions have come after breaks. Sure you will find a break rewarding when you return also.

 

[cellux]

I even asked them if this was all in my head, and a subconscious reply was "Of course".

 

[gibran2]

...I also asked them if they were real, but this time they did not respond.

I once asked some entities if they were real, and they responded by laughing.

 

[dmtk2852]

...I also asked them if they were real, but this time they did not respond.

I once asked some entities if they were real, and they responded by laughing.

Interesting, its almost like the question doesn't make sense to them, or doesn't apply. After all even if they are JUST projections of the subconscious mind and human psyche, that doesn't make them any less real, they would just be part of the mind which is very real.

 

[Tek]

Interesting read, thanks for posting this report.

I'm drawn to what Morpheus says in the Matrix about reality. "If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain."

Have any of you ever had the experience while tripping that 'I'm not who I thought I was', 'My whole life on earth isn't real', or 'I am not my body, I am my mind'? Maybe the clue here is that this world of forms we inhabit isn't as real as hyperspace, so for an imaginary character (we in our human forms) asking 'them' if they are real or not is probably a paradoxical question.

Think of it this way maybe, for those who have played an MMORPG like World of Warcraft. In these games, we create characters and interact in an imaginary world. Now, in truth, we are controlling this character and making all of the choices for it, we are literally the character's 'higher self'. Now, if we can pretend for a minute that our online avatars could become concious entities, then they would start to believe that their online fantasy world was the 'real' world. What if this character could do something in this game, like take a substance or something, and communicate with our world if only for the briefest of moments? The character would be absolutely astonished by our 3D world, it would be nothing like their brightly lit world of fantasy and adventure, it would truly be as alien to them as hyperspace is to us. They would be just as confused as we all tend to be when we communicate with these entities from hyperspace, and if our avatar character were to ask us 'are you guys real?' wouldn't it be a funny question to hear? We would know that we were really the one behind the character, we were the 'real' ones, but the character knowing nothing other than it's fantasy universe would have a hard time accepting that we and it were the same being. This would destroy their entire concept of reality, doesn't this seem like an awfully similar situation? Doesn't it sometimes seem that these entities are the real 'us', playing some type of 3D 'Planet Earth' video game?

This is all speculation of course, but when we start to think about these issues from this vantage point, a lot of things begin to make more sense, at least to me. If we assume for a moment that Plato was correct with what he said about the world of forms (our world) being a reflection of the world of thoughts, then perhaps these beings which reside in our collective unconcious are more 'real' than we are. I've been having these wierd thoughts about thoughts lately, for instance take any cartoon character, we'll use Mickey Mouse for this example. Now, the way we think about things in linear physical reality, we believe that Walt Disney created the character of Mickey Mouse from his imagination. No one would doubt this, but what if we could look at this another way? For infinity to truly be infinate, all things already exist in every possible variation. If conciousness is truly god and infinate in it's scope and timeless, then Mickey Mouse was not Walt Disney's creation. Mickey Mouse is a thought 'entity' that already existed in the infinate conciousness far before the Earth game began. Perhaps we are wrong in our assumption that Walt Disney created Mickey Mouse, what if Mickey Mouse the thought form used the material body of the one called Walt Disney to be able to be manifested in the 'Planet Earth' game? This is probably one of the fringeiest concepts I've been contemplating recently, but I guess to summarize what I'm ranting about in this post: "What came first, the thought or the thing?"