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Hi people. I'm an old member, but there's some technical issues with my old account so i'm using this one now, untill it's sorted out.

Recently, i've had a bit of a revelation, though maybe a superficial one: life is about fear....fear is what makes us who we are. And maybe fear is the deepest thing you can share with another person even.
I know fear is something we are all very familiar with over here. You cannot be an experienced psychonaut without also knowing the fear.

So i want to share something with you. Fear. And i don't mean a specific fear about a specific something, but fear itself.
Or maybe i should say a depiction of fear.

I know many people don't like popular culture, but i do, because i think there are some great treasures there. I want to share a scene with you from harry potter and the halfblood
Prince. To me this scene encapsulates not only the whole series, but also fear itself. It is not particularly a frightening scene. It is not that scary. But to me this is fear itself we're looking at. We're all standing on that rock
I know some of you, like null24, don't realy like those movies. But i would say, give this scene a try.

In case the link doesn't work: halfblood prince journey to the cave scene.
 
Its a nice philosophical idea. In theory, we can do everything. But we dont do everything. Why not? Out of fear. Fear shapes our path, to a high degree, and it might be, as you propose, the nr 1 motivator of everything we do. We fear death. Hunger. Loneliness. If everything was 'ok', we would not move at all. But we fear hunger, so we hunt and gather. We fear getting mauled by a bear, so we build huts. We fear disease, so we build fire to warm us after a storm. Without fear: we would not move at all. We just 'be'.

Every societal structure: has its base in fear. We are group creatures: because we fear being alone, as it increases the chances of death, which .. we fear. Communication, science, everything has its origin: in fear.

Without fear, the possibilities would be endless. Fear however, shows us what path we can.. and cannot take. It shapes us. It moves us.
Very interesting.
 
ShadedSelf said:
This is somewhat confusing to me.

In what way does fear make us who we are?
Does fear have a purpose?
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Because, what are we? We're so small and fragile, thrown into a world so big, so hostile. A world that could at any moment chew us up and spit us out again like it's nothing.
And even when we're young, we're already destined to safe ourselves and leave the ones behind we trust the most, the ones who tought us everything we know. And maybe, with a bit of luck, one day we'll be older, and we're gonna have to tell our childeren to safe themselves and leave us.
That's why.
 
I can't remember who said it, but some philosopher said that anxiety is the default state of humans, which I tend to agree with, and anxiety is related to fear.

Another philosopher also stated that we experience more anxiety from our thoughts and our internal world more than the external world and what actually happens.;)

One love
 
There are many emotions and feelings that make us act (and not). Fear is one of the main ones, for sure. What makes us who we are is not only what we do, but also what we don't do. Usually it seems that the greater the reward, the greater the dangers, and consequently the fear becomes greater. We must accept fear as something real and natural, but at the same time we must fight against it in certain situations, because only by defeating fear (there are many paths, one is for example acceptance) you can obtain certain results. And I think that those who use psychedelics know this well...
 
I can understand how sharing our vulnerabilities with another can lead to deep lasting relationships but i don't really get how fear is the primary factor that shapes us. It seems to be a bit of a generalisation. I have plenty of friends who are not really the fearful types. What has shaped them?
 
It is a bit of a generalisation. However, it holds some truth.

I once found out that everything humans do can be reduced to three things: Sex, Food, and Sleep. Anything a human does in some direct or indirect way points to one of those three things. Of those three things 'sleep' seems the most important. Our goal: is to sleep (and dream). We only wake up, to reproduce (have sex), or find some food. If we dont: we die. Directly (in the case of food) or indirectly (in the case of sex). We also go insane if we dont sleep, which in the end leads to death.

You could say, therefor, that all we do, is shaped by fear. The fear of death. The fear of lack of food. Lack of shelter to sleep. The fear of being an outcast -> have no food, sex, shelter.

If you walk beside a huge river, you dont jump in: because of fear. You dont want to die. So you dont jump in. You walk along. You path, is literally shaped by fear. Even if you are at that point not 'fearful', you avoid everything that might kill you, bankrupt you, or make you an outcast. Every interaction with another human has some fear undertones: 'will this stranger kill me... rob me... take my wife'. When you ride your car, every decision you make on the road has fear as undertone: if you ride thru red, you might die. If you swerve, you might die. Etc.
 
> If you walk beside a huge river, you dont jump in: because of fear. You dont want to die. So you dont jump in. You walk along. You path, is literally shaped by fear.
What if you don't jump in because of love? You love life, you love your family, you love every second of this thing and are wondering what else awaits you around the corner? You keep walking and your path is shaped by love.

What if when stranger commits hostile act against you, but you are not afraid for yourself. You feel sad, seeing what this person does to their soul by comitting these atrocities.

I think what your equation lacks is compassion, it can break fear and give birth to love.

> You could say, therefor, that all we do, is shaped by fear
I say that everything we do might as well be shaped by love
 
newusername1 said:
Hi people. I'm an old member, but there's some technical issues with my old account so i'm using this one now, untill it's sorted out.

Recently, i've had a bit of a revelation, though maybe a superficial one: life is about fear....fear is what makes us who we are. And maybe fear is the deepest thing you can share with another person even.
I know fear is something we are all very familiar with over here. You cannot be an experienced psychonaut without also knowing the fear.

So i want to share something with you. Fear. And i don't mean a specific fear about a specific something, but fear itself.
Or maybe i should say a depiction of fear.

I know many people don't like popular culture, but i do, because i think there are some great treasures there. I want to share a scene with you from harry potter and the halfblood
Prince. To me this scene encapsulates not only the whole series, but also fear itself. It is not particularly a frightening scene. It is not that scary. But to me this is fear itself we're looking at. We're all standing on that rock
I know some of you, like null24, don't realy like those movies. But i would say, give this scene a try.

In case the link doesn't work: halfblood prince journey to the cave scene.
Click to expand...
When I started shamanic journeying, there were many creatures that used to horribly destroy and eat me. Not all however, not at all. Many experiences and imagined entities were different. But a major portion of them were somehow involved with fear violence destruction death etc. let’s call them “fear”

Actually this is a commonly encountered theme I think, amongst other shamanic journeyers. Idk for sure though.

No matter how hard I struggled, resisted, fought, they always got me. One day the same space Beetle came for me again, in the same way: as I’m falling backwards into the darkness, it comes out of the side. and I think it had already been devored by this massive Beetle like twice and I’m like “OMG here we go again, you know what, EAT ME” i don’t care if I die. And the beetle instantly stopped and like looked at me and kindof just gently went away to go do something else.

Then another creature i saw shamanically journeying was like this floating decrepit little angler fish mask spirit thing and it kept screaming. It was ‘scream’. As we all know the sound of a scream is very attention-drawing. That is its purpose ~ so I felt the little voice of fear approaching and instantly resigned to it. My resignation is a true acceptance of death usually, I would describe it. In my resignation I was able to listen directly to the scream for a brief moment before suddenly the creature thing stopped screaming and I saw past its mask and I could FEEL its soul. Our souls became, ‘superimposed’ or merged. It was the most intimate thing I’ve ever experiences in my life. When our souls merged it felt like I was seeing long lost soulmate-friend. In comparison to looking into the eyes of a lover during sexual climax, this felt like some next level intimacy. There was no physical body or environment to be between our souls. We could feel each other somehow as one in the astral plane.

This is Shamanic journeying so its literally just like, 20 minutes of imagination to a trance inducing drum beat (those shamanic drums), but I can get really into these things and they are emotional. I have all sorts of ones to share. I remember all of them forever. I can definitely see my subconscious play out in them, and the journey itself is always a lesson. But speaking of fear:

Another time in a San Pedro prayer circle, for the health of water, I went in with a lot of anxiety and fear. I had gotten PTSD from some ayahuasca experience a few months prior so I was genuinely in a “never again” headspace for psychedelics in general. In fact, I was so unstable I wasnt even safe from anxiety or panic attacks at baseline consciousness and after months it seemed like my new permanent state of affairs. I had difficulty relaxing my mind. A friend I really trust invited me to the SanPedro water prayer ceremony so I went, amongst other reasons & circumstances. I went in with no intention and when I started trancing out I saw this massive levitating skeleton dragon snake with spikes around the perimeter of her skull and several crazy red hypnotic fear-eyes. She was incredibly scary in some sort of ultimate Kali way. Some past spirits killed me or destroyed me in different ways but she was there to shatter my soul or something. Because of my last journeys, my reflex was to just let it do as it do so I let her impose upon my consciousness and LOOKED at her dead on and saw her. You could say I saw her as she was. In fact it turned out to be a matter of respect as well, not to run from her fear and see her. I wouldn’t call us friends because I’m still a tiny mouse spirit in this relationship, and she is so intense so you need to manage you mind well that it is seeing, but she let me chill out under her wing so to speak in astral space for a while. I could really relax with her on watch lol. Then later I ‘trust fell’ ‘down’ and landed in a golden ocean of ecstasy for the remainder of the prayer ceremony which was several hours.

All I can say is that for me so far, fear has been the voice of love. Whatever the phenomenon is which is the avoidance of fear, I’m not sure what that is. Maybe the fear can guide us home ~
 
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I think we should be aware of the implications of our generalizations and simplifications.

Saying "everything we do is shaped by/is because of/is for 'x'" then that means that there are no exceptions to this... that's a lot of things to put into one category. It could be a myriad of things that help shape what we do.

It also preclude that this could be different for everyone. Some may do what they do primarily out of reason 'x' while another does what they primarily do out of reason 'y'.

One love
 
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