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In a response to selling changa

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Dorge

Dorge

Chen Cho Dorge
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For those foolish enough and misguided enough to consider selling changa. Especially those doing so when large amounts of harmalas are added... consider this...
Some people share changa and its just enhanced leaf... we know this for a fact. Some people will smoke that rolling on E or taking something else that harmalas should not be mixed with like an ssri for example. They would do that and yay... how wonderful... all they are getting is spice however.
NOW lets say the same people who got their "enhanced leaf" sold to them as changa, got a batch for the first time and they did not know it had harmalas in it or assumed it did and are just ignorent, or they just dont know squat about what it is... and just have it passed to them in a circle with a head full of E or an SSRI and they get a whopping dose of harmalas straight to the brain...
Selling it trading it to people, doing so either way creates an uninformed market... with lots of blends and lots of people not knowing what they are smoking. Which would be fine if people where more informed. I do not know of any one who has mixed changa and E or changa and say prozac or even ritilan but I dont really want to see it happen accidentally and get into the news the next day.

If you want to share, learn how to create space and start doing some changa circle work, or changa ceremonies. Its a lot smarter that way... and people can donate some cash to pay for exspensess. As the circle grows it will devide and new circles will form out of your circle and so on and so forth the cells of the way of smoke divide suiting the needs of the people, and getting to people, safely and carefully, and with out creating future legal issues that will complicate this medicine from reaching people as it is needed.
 
I had a post written about this too... Was trying to work it over with Trav but he has been unresponsive.

I was thinking about recent talk regarding close friends who feel the strong need to repay someone for their Changa or other psychedelic preparation. I have never accepted money for Changa but Karma always plays itself out for me. I believe anyone who has these substances, picks a time and place to use them, and distributes them to others is by the most fundamental definition, a shaman.

I agree on two accounts. Changa shouldn't be sold & shamans should be allowed to be remembered if the person their healing wants to do so. I also believe the shaman should not choose the people he exposes to medicine based on whether they will or will not ultimately repay the kindness.

Have you friends make you a nice meal with some expensive organic wine (if that's your thing) or have them treat you out to regular lunches or occasional dinners at restaurants.

Friends could trade you weed they smoke with you, time, gas & vehicle wear-and-tear so make them good on it if that's what they want! If they are asking to pay you somehow maybe have them take you on a road trip where they can pay for all of you to go to some various Yoga facilities or something.

As long as it's from the heart, something they spent time doing or making themselves or something you can do together with them it is in the spirit of Changa, IMHO.

I don't believe in ever asking anyone for anything. It's been my experience, for instance, if I buy some live San Pedro from a local vendor and prepare two doses for me and a friend, I won't charge them for it. I might call them up, ask them whats been goin on in their lives and see if its a good time for them to trip. If it sounds good or questionable I ask them if they want to and tell them I have some prepared cacti ready to go for us. They come over and we go out to buy food for the day + night. They, by instinct, buy all the food at the store which totals about $25-$35 because they knew it was the right thing to do since they weren't being asked to pay for cactus or having to prepare it.

It sounds like your friends are eager to repay you somehow. At the very least, think of projects around your place. They can wash & clean out your vehicle, clean and re-oil your bicycle, sweep your garage.

The key is to give to all with no expectation of return and when returns come let them further our communion as one, not separate ourselves through the isolated independence bred by currency.
 
Combining MDMA with an MAOI can lead to Serotonin poisioning, correct? How likely is this to happen if someone on E smoked 10X caapi changa, and would the effects likely be deadly?

Only a matter of time before this happens if the answer is yes...
 
1664 said:
Combining MDMA with an MAOI can lead to Serotonin poisioning, correct? How likely is this to happen if someone on E smoked 10X caapi changa, and would the effects likely be deadly?

Only a matter of time before this happens if the answer is yes...
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Theoretically yes, but I think it is highly unlikely to happen, due to the sort duration of the harmalas and the low dosage of them. It could happen though, so one should NEVER ever try that combination.
 
Smoked Harmalas do go directly to your brain... and the small amounts needed have a tremendous impact there. It is best IMHO to utilize the same no mixing precautions as with ayahuasca. IMHO... There are so many people out there on SSRIs as well as ritilan. It really is best that people always know what it is that they are ingesting as well. Selling it to people who may not be as well versed as your self on what it is and what precautions to take if any need be taken, is not IMHO a good idea, and SWIM has posted this numerous times on the health and saftey post.
 
My inner circle is 3 people. Me, another guy and a girl. We smoke changa frequently together.

The only thing I can say is that ONE time, the girl had a double-shot of espresso an hour before she smoked the most changa she had up until that point.

Not only did she have one of the best journey's but she experienced NO hypertension or side effects from the caffeine mixture.

It was an experiment that she undertook knowingly and it came out fine. We haven't tried any combinations since, though
 
Good post man, I think about this all the time. I personally wouldn't give anyone a mixture with harmalas unless that person had read up on the complications themselves. I just don't trust people to take it seriously enough. I use them myself but have yet to ever let any of my friends try it other than ones the researched it and procured it themselves.
 
CosmicLion said:
My inner circle is 3 people. Me, another guy and a girl. We smoke changa frequently together.

The only thing I can say is that ONE time, the girl had a double-shot of espresso an hour before she smoked the most changa she had up until that point.

Not only did she have one of the best journey's but she experienced NO hypertension or side effects from the caffeine mixture.

It was an experiment that she undertook knowingly and it came out fine. We haven't tried any combinations since, though
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Caffeine and caffeine containing plants have been a traditional admixture to ayahuasca blends through out time. Its a good idea to get familiar with the plants that are traditional admixtures.

Rule of thumb treat changa like you would ayahuasca....

But honestly... the food precautions are silly even with aya... chemicals that effect the brain you might be more cautious about.
 
Traditional ayahuasca admixtures give us a better idea of plants and their chemicals that can be added to changa or taken with changa.

The absolute best way to work with changa is to do a fast... much like one would do with ayahuasca... regardless here is a list of plants traditionally added to ayahuasca.


Erowid Online Books : "Ayahuasca: alkaloids, plants, and analogs" by Keeper of the Trout

Ayahuasca: alkaloids, plants & analogs by Keeper of the Trout (full text) title page
www.erowid.org
 
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this. Selling changa is selling DMT.

Don't do it. Why? Read the Street Price of DMT thread and you may understand.

Harmala warnings are solid though, if you add harmala alkalkoids to your changa you REALLY SHOULD inform anyone that smokes it, and you should be educated on contraindicated items, such as cocaine, MDMA, pseudoephedrine, etc...
 
This site reeks with hypocrisy. You know some people DO see most of the posts, even the ones that get quickly changed/deleted by mods.

-spiceworm
 
Dorge,

I would prefer if you you would change the word sell to share in your posts. The same message will get across and we will not talk about selling DMT in any form.

Consider this a warning!


The Traveler
 
spiceworm said:
This site reeks with hypocrisy. You know some people DO see most of the posts, even the ones that get quickly changed/deleted by mods.

-spiceworm
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Not sure if i should take this personally but thanks spiceworm. Your quiet presence and words of support have been appreciated these past 2 months.

Peace & Love,
Pandora
 
The Traveler said:
Dorge,

I would prefer if you you would change the word sell to share in your posts. The same message will get across and we will not talk about selling DMT in any form.

Consider this a warning!


The Traveler
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The post was pretty focused on NOT selling changa at all ever period Traveler and doign my best to promote saftey for this community. It was focused on that subject, and I believe was clearly against selling changa. If I was to say You should never Share changa instead of saying you should never sell changa I think that would be a bit confusing wouldnt you?
I do hear you on the point of not talking about selling even in the negative tense. But I do see quite a few people talking about that subject on this forum with out the public warnings, so my question is, is there another motivation besides that in your warning? Because honestly we are on the same side here. And I do love and respect this place and what it does and have tried very hard to honor this site.
One could say... "if you share changa with people... and you share it with some one who might share it with some one else who might not be as informed as you be sure they ARE informed about the harmalas in changa." Would that be preferable?
 
acolon_5 said:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this. Selling changa is selling DMT.

Don't do it. Why? Read the Street Price of DMT thread and you may understand.

Harmala warnings are solid though, if you add harmala alkalkoids to your changa you REALLY SHOULD inform anyone that smokes it, and you should be educated on contraindicated items, such as cocaine, MDMA, pseudoephedrine, etc...
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Your a mod talking about selling changa even in the negative tense, So my question is does the same rule apply, or in other words does Acolon get a warning too?! because this is confusing...

So should Acolon edit his post saying instead...


acolon_5 said:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this. Sharing changa is sharing DMT.

Don't do it. Why? Read the Street Price of DMT thread and you may understand.

Harmala warnings are solid though, if you add harmala alkalkoids to your changa you REALLY SHOULD inform anyone that smokes it, and you should be educated on contraindicated items, such as cocaine, MDMA, pseudoephedrine, etc...
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I just dont understand...
 
It's a great responsibility weaving Changa from the soil. Make sure she's treated well. Don't let the highest bidder run off with her to do with as they please.

She likes to share her secrets with who ever will listen. If your not willing to let her share her secrets you will pay the price. That is the only toll you can attribute to Changa.

She informs people of her sharing nature in her dreams so very rarely will someone that truly listens awaken and ask to purchase her. If someone awakens and asks to be gifted with her presence, oblige. It's your duty!
 
I think I get where Trav is coming from. The first paragraph in this thread, to the uninformed, could be interpreted as a "how-to" for properly selling changa. Even though we all know Dorge is trying to discourage the selling of changa, a little editing could prevent an unfortunate misunderstanding.
 
Touche Guevara said:
I think I get where Trav is coming from. The first paragraph in this thread, to the uninformed, could be interpreted as a "how-to" for properly selling changa. Even though we all know Dorge is trying to discourage the selling of changa, a little editing could prevent an unfortunate misunderstanding.
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Very true... I can see that it could very much be misconstrued... which is not my intention at all. That part will be edited.

and Infundibulum, I think that was my point.
 
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