The different samples were all from the same 500g of acrb. swim knows now swim probably should have labeled the pics of the xtals better. i started by basic extraction, the results are the first pic of xtals.(labeled j1 on the reagent plate). then swim froze the rb. basic extraction procedure. results in pic2(little open jar from above.)reagent plate j2. Then the used base solution for the first pull was heated and extraced again, about two days later. the results are pics three and four. with four forming on the bottom at rt precip (sample j3), the jar was then flipped upside down and put in for freeze precip.the results are picture 3.(this was not reagent tested, swim only tested actually formed crystals and no powerder or paste or goo or sludge).
So in the end swim ended up with two base solutions. one from fresh rb and one from that same rb but after it had been frozen and acid cooked again. and in the end four solvent pulls were made on each of the two bases. with the ones from the frozen base solution all being washed with socarb-n-water.
And so... heres some thoughts from swim. swim feels good about swims starting material. After much research and comparison of bark pics , and after sourcing some "polvo de tep' for comparison.(with the polvo being mimosa,however, it was bark but not rb. dont buy wont work for extract, but compares just fine as far as looks and smell.) so in theory swim should end up with alkaloids. d mt and n mt being the primary constituants and after essentially time, d mt n-oxide being the third. swim thinks the reagent test were all the same color because 1. more than one thing being tested for was present in each sample 2. the substance which produces the darkest coloring( d mt) would cover up the color of a light reagent change in color (n mt, d mt n-oxide). And really, thinking that swim could isolate just the d mt for test isnt really practical either because of oxidation, seems like there would always be the n-oxide present.
also in trying to sniff out what swim might have swim found the kit for the desktop spectrometry kit. has any one heard of it? swim thinks the results need to be ftp'd to their database for comparison. the whole thing is based on comparison of "known" spectra. so if no one has analized d mt or n mt with it there would be no comparison.
as far as the eluents go swim did already try the ethanol with ammonia. also tried methanol and ammonia. is it possible to concentrate the ammonia swim has or better to just adjust for it s weaknesss . then swim needed to figure out how to see the results. swim knows about the reagent 'sprays", but has no access also uv light wasnt too impressive after sample was dropped on plates. swim has monetary resources however getting the stuff for the developer reagent swim cant do (dragondorffs right ?)
thanks again -end- for your reply . swim sees that alot of other swims have read these posts but few replies. so that leads me to think 1. other swims are looking for similar answers or 2. swims dont reply because they dont feel the proper amount of reasearch has been done.
swim found some n-heptane and performed a rx on the xtals in pic 1 (reagent sample j1)
and upon rx swin ended up with xtals like the beautiful ones in the -just some xtals thread-
just some xtals - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus - so swim is also taking that into consideration when determining if swim has what he thinks he has .swim will post those pics later
