increasing pharma potency

[evil804]

I have always been able to go very far with mimosa brews, but found i needed significantly more DMT when using pharma. Typically 6G of mimosa was a perfect dose for me, which should have about 60 Mg of DMT in it, yet a 60 mg dose of DMT in pharma is thresh hold at best. Typically a satisfying dose of pharma with OEV is about 100mg. My idea is to prepare a mimosa brew, reduce, then evaporate. The powder will then be collected, and put into capsules (diluted with some ground ginger to fill capsule and make measuring easier) in hopes of bringing whatever it is in mimosa that makes the DMT more effective back into the mix.

i currently have done 3 X 1 week long CWE on 30G mimosa, and then did 2 20 min boils on the remaining mimosa. All the evaporated collections have been combined into a powder, about 3 grams worth. I plan to put these into capsules, and ingest before the pure DMT.

EX-

0:00 - 250 mg Rue harmalas (i need heavier doses than most)
0:15 - 150 mg mimosa extract (1.5G mimosa potency)
0:20 - 50 mg DMT

0:40 - 3:00 :| :surprised :!: :shock: :want: :d :thumb_up:

any input, experiences with something similar, etc... would be greatly appreciated.

 

[jamie]

^6g of mimosa should have more like 100-120mg DMT in it. The 1% claims for mimosa are mostly old and outdated. Many people here have gotten from 1.5-2% DMT from mimosa extractions..some can be lower like even less than 1% while other bark might be 1.5 or more..so keep that in mind when trying to compare a dose of crystal to a dose of mimosa. I dont think I have ever had bark only 1%.

 

[Eliyahu]

Hey there...

I use caapi with pharma so it's probably different for me but...

I would advise not using ginger...I have experienced negative reactions with that.( headache)

I once thought the same thing that it would help the naseau...

 

[SnozzleBerry]

As jamie said, your conversion rate from mhrb to pure dmt is off. 1.5-2% is closer to the actual dmt percentage found in mhrb (on average) than 1%.

 

[evil804]

^6g of mimosa should have more like 100-120mg DMT in it. The 1% claims for mimosa are mostly old and outdated. Many people here have gotten from 1.5-2% DMT from mimosa extractions..some can be lower like even less than 1% while other bark might be 1.5 or more..so keep that in mind when trying to compare a dose of crystal to a dose of mimosa. I dont think I have ever had bark only 1%.

I guess that explains the "perceived" difference in potency. Thanks! Is there a particular tek known for these yields? ive stuck to the simple boil with vinegar, base, pull with naptha, freeze precip, evap after no more snowglobes and usually get a little over 1% using adenium product.


Re: Ginger - I actually have put raw fresh ginger in with my mimosa while brewing, never had any adverse effects, even with consuming spoonfuls whole right before drinking the brew. Is it the vasodilation that is a concern? i read some bits on theobromine and ginger causing some headaches, but never experienced when using them as admixtures. only time i ever had any headaches was getting dehydrated, lesson learned! Easily avoided with consumption of dihydrogen monoxide. You have to be careful with this substance though, an overdose can be fatal!

 

[joedirt]

Irregardless of your dosages I'm very intrigued to your outcome. I want pharma to work, but alas it's largely a waste of precious material.

Pretty much everyone has noticed the same thing. Plus plenty of people drink 100g caapi brews, but no one takes the full extract from a 100g caapi extraction. What gives?

Same with DMT. Pharma is literally all over the board for me, but I have gleaned a few interesting tid bits.

Free base is not good. Citric acid is second to worst.

You need a good HCL salt of harmals and freebase DMT dissolved in water for it to be consistently active. I've heard mixed reports of fumarates as well. It most likely has something to do with absorption rates.

Also why not just make a real aya brew with both caapi and DMT plant together and then reduce that down to a tar and gel cap it? That way you know it's the same as aya.

 

[evil804]

Also why not just make a real aya brew with both caapi and DMT plant together and then reduce that down to a tar and gel cap it? That way you know it's the same as aya.

if i still have less than stellar results with extracted DMT, i may just do all my oral consumption this way. Much easier to brew traditionally, evap all the water, and put the collected powder in some caps rather than having a strange liquid in the back of your fridge. having some capsules tucked away for easy portability and consumption beats choking down a nauseating liquid.

 

[evil804]

well i had success increasing the potency, but not by the method i proposed in the opening post. I recently picked up some fumaric acid. I typically use a straight shot of freebase harmalas and freebase DMT for pharma, but decided to try something a bit different this time. dinner (chicken and mixed veggies, lots of broccoli, spinach, and brussel sprouts) consumed about 3.5 hours before the inital harmalas were consumed.

300mg of rue harmalas dissolved in minimal FASW, about 15 ml got everything to dissolve. i slowly sipped this bit by bit over the course of 2 hours or so. at the two hour point, give or take (i was not watching the clock, just enjoying the harmalas) i dissolved 40mg of DMT freebase and another 100 mg of freebase rue harmalas in another small amount of FASW, and sipped this over the course of the next 30 minutes or so.

about 20 minutes later, i experienced mild nausea and got the dreamy trancelike feeling of a threshold dose of DMT. this stayed pretty constant until about an hour after the DMT was ingested, and then a great sense of euphoria emerged with some mild pattern projections, shape shifting, depth perception distortion, and great color amplification. No mindfuck, just a warm and safe sense of wellbeing. the body load rivaled that of my few opium experiences, very nice surprise! did not know pharma had that ability! the peak lasted well over 2 hours, and the afterglow stayed with me a good 3 hours after that. typically i am at baseline within 3 hours from consumption.

my point in all this is that DMT fumarate seems to be about twice as potent as freebase, citrate, or acetate for me. ive tried many different salts and always needed about 100mg of light to get a decent experience with any OEV, and this 40mg dose pf fumarate would be about what i expect from 80mg of freebase or lesser salts. I also think the slow consumption of the harmalas over the course of 2 hours before consuming the light with some more harmalas really helped, and erally helped extend the effects over a longer period. I think i finally got my pharma ritual nailed down! this was probably my most positive experience out of the 100+ experiences with oral DMT.

 

[Eliyahu]

Hey there, I recently tried Harmine fumerate as well and I was very pleased with the potency and duration of the experience..Very Nice....

As a side note I have had some success with using hand picked, sun dried Amanitas to magnify the effects...I use a very small amount BTW, but it works like crazy!