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Increasing potency in cuttings? Is this a myth?

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behindthelight

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Let's say you just acquired 4, foot long bridgesii cuttings and you were gonna do Ron's d-limonene tek. Before you cut up the cactus and dried it, is there really a way to increase the mescaline content in the cacti?

Also, just from prior experience, does anyone know approximately how many dried grams a 1 foot cutting ends up being? I know there is no way to get an exact number, I'm just looking for an estimate.
 
It might be true, but no rigorous tests have been performed on this issue (other than home tests and subjective subjective experiences) all yielding inconclusive or ambiguous results. Such a study requires really a lot of time and equipment that kitchen chemists do not haev access to. And this issue does not rank high enough to even consider for outside funding, so go figure.

As for the cuttings, 1 foot of cactus is equal to 40-60g of dried flesh powder, this is guesstimated from the average amount the average person needs for the average trip, i.e 1 footlong or 50g of powder.
 
Thanks man. That makes sense. Even if it did increase potency, it's probably not enough that would make a big difference.
 
As for the cuttings, 1 foot of cactus is equal to 40-60g of dried flesh powder
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My last 1 foot cutting had a fresh weight of 200g max.

And most people seem to belive that stressing does not increase mescaline content because the person who performed experiments turned out to be a fraudster or something.
 
obliguhl said:
As for the cuttings, 1 foot of cactus is equal to 40-60g of dried flesh powder
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My last 1 foot cutting had a fresh weight of 200g max.

And most people seem to belive that stressing does not increase mescaline content because the person who performed experiments turned out to be a fraudster or something.
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One of the stronger reported whole plant values, which is uncommonly strong when compared to average results is 0.12% fresh weight.

200g at this weight would be 240mg mesc...

Weight is far easier to make estimates about than length.

I've seen 1 foot sections weigh over 2kg (around 4-5lbs) and I have seen 1 foot sections that weigh only a few ounces... clearly thick is going to weight far more.


Some cultures used these plants for well over 3000 years, they do have specific things they do to "increase" potency. I trust that their methods are not worthless or symbolic. Essentially the plants are cut and stored in darkness for around a year...
Stressing the plants while they are growing is going to decrease growth, which decreases alkaloid content, however stressing cuttings that are not growing is practical.
 
Yeah, I figured he meant 2 grams being the amount of Mescaline. But that doesn't seem like much to get from 4 feet of cactus. Oh well, I will try it and report back when I am done.
 
a strong fresh weight value is 0.1%, this is rare though
length is basically worthless, weight is the only thing you can make a reasonable estimate on

I have a plant that is 6-7 inches wide, and I have a plant that is about 1-1/2 inches wide... estimating weight is worthless, 6 inches of the larger plant weighs more than 4 times what the 2 feet of the thinner plant does...

One simple method is to weight yourself, and then weigh yourself again holding the cactus in question and then you have a basic indication of weight (the difference of the two values), not exact but pretty good

1000g of 0.1% cactus (fresh weight of course) is going to have 1g of mesc or so
so for 4 grams you would want about 4Kg, about 9lbs worth...

however 0.02-0.04% (fresh weight value) is a lot more common (though still pretty good compared to some common clones out there)

1000g is going to be 200-400mg, and 200 seems a lot more realistic, so for 4 grams you would want about 10kg, about 22lbs worth.

if your 4 foot section weighs 22lbs you might get 4grams
I agree though that you would be lucky to get that

cactus is mostly water (90-95% is common)
a gallon of water weighs a bit over 8 lbs

basically 3gallons volume of good cactus is in the area of what you could get 4g from, but as extractions get scaled up efficiency decreases, a small scale extraction tends to be more efficient than a larger one

I know of someone who recently obtained about 4 grams (3.8g) of fairly pure mescaline acetate from a volume of around 3-1/2 gallons worth of blended cactus...my understanding is that more than 4 feet of cactus was used.

good luck
 
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