Ive had pharmahausca with hcl and about 100-120mg spice once. but smoked has been alot, i got a bit too carried away when it was first obtained and its been a bit shakey ever since, its not that i dont like the experiences or that i dont want to ask more. but everytime i go in now, or the last few times.. ive always ground to a point where... well the feeling i could only describe as such: say you're steadily driving your car down a street and a car pulls out infront of you, some people get out and grab you from your car,take all the cards in your wallet, steal your shoes and your phone then drive off all within about 10-15 seconds. the wtf sensation that would be your face after the described situation.. but things get really bad.. like unbearable but bad in ways that are necessary to understand, my thinking is once i take that first launch in it has to be big, no pussy footing around cause that will just exacerbate the damp footedness. I have sat for people recently though and smoked a small amount of changa