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Introduction and a question, as I seek the rest of the iceberg

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Int

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Hi,

As an introduction, a bit about myself.. Until about 5 years ago, I was a devout rationalist, axiomatically holding that logic, science, and mathematics could explain all there is to explain and that the world could only be experienced empirically (the rest is metaphysics). In the back of my mind though, I think I held out some hope that there was a higher form of experience possible, and so I did try to seek that out. Alcohol and the occasional social joint did not result in anything for me aside from feeling lightheaded and sleepy. Hypnosis had no effects, neither did experimentation with various yoga techniques and "astral projection" tutorials online. My rationalist view of reality was being confirmed! The descriptions of other people's travels were a product of their delusions, I thought.

This all ended abruptly during my vacation in the Netherlands, where I procured a psilocybin mushroom and, not expecting much of it, ingested it. What followed were a life changing few hours - where I have felt feelings I've never felt prior, pondered thoughts that could not be fathomed or replicated in an unlifted state, and perhaps most amazingly, felt the reality of all of this as being more authentic than I could have imagined. After my cynical nature was thus swiftly crushed, I spent the night afterwards rethinking major points about my life, which had very positive practical consequences. There was no doubt - in my regular life I was only seeing 5% of the iceberg, while the other 95% was deeply submerged and I felt one's life's meaning might well be to explore that hidden beauty. Since then, the mushroom has been a repeat guest at my table, although because of the power, I try to keep the frequency respectably low.

Which brings me to this site. From what I have read and heard, it seems that that 95% of the mushroom iceberg, is itself actually only a tiny percentage of the even larger sculpture of reality as it is revealed by DMT. To say that I'm intrigued would be an understatement.. I feel like I owe it to myself to have a glimpse at that reality, at least once in my life, even briefly, to get a sense of how rich the fabric is textured and how deep the proverbial rabbit hole goes.

I understand that the common road to that on this site seems to be self procurement and I respect that. My issue though is not with obtaining it, but with having someone to guide me through the experience and to also act as a teacher of sorts - a person who would know the proper parameters (amount, set, setting, etc.) for the intake, and to just be there to provide some support in case during a bad or frightening situation develops. In other words, I just want someone experienced in this extremely powerful substance to be my traveling partner, instead of embarking on the perilous journey myself, with all its potential pitfalls. Am I correct in presuming that people who have had their life view changed by DMT would perhaps be enthusiastic to share that with (mature) others?

To this end, my question : Do there exist any groups or societies, in the Eastern United States (or ideally in NY), that would be willing to gently guide/initiate one into experiencing DMT? Possibly some group of people who have meetups, or maybe a one-to-one session, or some other forms of gathering?

Thank you and I look forward to participating here.

Int
 
Welcome to the Nexus!

It is my understanding that you could safely smoke or ingest DMT orally by yourself or with a non-experienced (but informed) sitter without needing an expert for guidance during the experience. Check the health and safety section in the wiki if you didnt yet, there's a LOT of good info there, as well as the FAQ. Start with low doses and work your way up.

Also, a meeting that you arranged over the internet to get together with some unknown person to ingest illegal substances is a liability for yourself, for the person meeting you, and for the whole community (imagine the news: "internet forum used to set up meetings for ingesting dangerous hallucinogen drugs"), which could lead into legal problems for yourself and for The Traveler. This is why we do not want people to arrange meeting others openly as you did.. I hope you understand.

By the way, wanting to see more of the iceberg is perfectly fine, but the problem is that the iceberg is no static object to be discovered, it is ever-changing and goes deeper than one can possibly comprehend regardless of amount of trips, so do expect more questions than answers :)

Be well!
 
endlessness said:
By the way, wanting to see more of the iceberg is perfectly fine, but the problem is that the iceberg is no static object to be discovered, it is ever-changing and goes deeper than one can possibly comprehend regardless of amount of trips, so do expect more questions than answers :)

For a lack of better word... ....Word.:thumb_up:
 
I tried shrooms for the first time two weeks ago and thought that was a very enlightening and life changing experience, and it was. I used the opportunity to rationalize and discover some larger questions I had about my life because I happen to be the ever philosophical type. That's what gave me the courage to try it last week when it came around by chance. I'd just like to say that the two are really nothing alike, on shrooms I felt as if I was united with everything, and so comfortable with the clouds and trees rhythmically fluctuating around me. on DMT, life as I know it did not matter, all that really mattered to me was paying attention to what the barrage of whispers had to say, I will admit that one experience gives me no right to be doing any sort of speculation on whether or not it's ok to guide yourself, but I really felt that it was a "just me" sort of thing. My girlfriend was on the porch but communicating with her wasn't even an option in my mind while I was there. It wasn't until I came back to reality that I felt the need to attemt to convey the knowledge I was receiving. My one regret was not having a tape recorder. I found it hard to remember much of anything I said.
 
endlessness said:
Welcome to the Nexus!

Thanks!

It is my understanding that you could safely smoke or ingest DMT orally by yourself or with a non-experienced (but informed) sitter without needing an expert for guidance during the experience.

Right. My two issues with oral ingestion are that involves tinkering with MAOIs (an additional substance always adds a little more risk), but more importantly that the experience will not be as intense as when smoking. Although perhaps it can serve as a good stepping stone towards that final goal.

Also, a meeting that you arranged over the internet to get together with some unknown person to ingest illegal substances is a liability for yourself, for the person meeting you, and for the whole community (imagine the news: "internet forum used to set up meetings for ingesting dangerous hallucinogen drugs"), which could lead into legal problems for yourself and for The Traveler. This is why we do not want people to arrange meeting others openly as you did.. I hope you understand.

I understand.. It is unfortunate though, as I think that being introduced to it in the company of like minded and experienced people would allow access to a great many who are otherwise blocked by factors such as lack of skill, uncertainty/doubt, and notably - fear. The fear factor would be reduced tenfold, at least for me, if I had a guide.

By the way, wanting to see more of the iceberg is perfectly fine, but the problem is that the iceberg is no static object to be discovered, it is ever-changing and goes deeper than one can possibly comprehend regardless of amount of trips, so do expect more questions than answers :)

True, especially if the iceberg is not part of some independent objective reality, but is generated each time in your mind, like a randomized jigsaw puzzle. From my psilocybin trips, I've noticed that being in the hyperspace is a lot like dreaming - the lack of (familiar) logical structure, dynamically changing environments, being emotionally charged, and feeling very real. The difference is that you are awake - in the sense of being able to critically evaluate/compare what you are seeing against previous experiences and logic (and each time concluding in amazement that it makes no sense :)) In regular dreams you tend not to do that, but rather accept what you're seeing as perfectly normal.

Would you say that hallucinogen induced trips are like (intense) lucid dreaming, where you are both awake and inside the dreamscape at the same time?
 
parallelwhispers said:
I'd just like to say that the two are really nothing alike, on shrooms I felt as if I was united with everything, and so comfortable with the clouds and trees rhythmically fluctuating around me. on DMT, life as I know it did not matter, all that really mattered to me was paying attention to what the barrage of whispers had to say

It's very interesting - compare the molecular structure of psilocin (the psychoactive compound psilocybin of shrooms gets metabolized into) to the DMT :

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The difference is in only the addition of an oxygen and hydrogen in one spot. Yet the difference in effects seems to be profound. Try explaining that mystery from a neurochemical viewpoint :)
 
Welcome.

Like endlessness said. Having arranged meetings between random forum members is obviously a big no-no. But aside from that..everyone has started from the very similar position that you yourself are in currently. My best advice (coming from someone that's been solo on his endeavors for the most of two years up until this past year) would be to read, read, and read :). Take it all one step at a time. And first and foremost...talk with people on here! I know its not a person-to-person interaction but its nearly the closest thing and is simply amazing to have the connection with many like minded experienced folk.

We're here for you brotha.

tat-tvam-asi
 
what's up Int!

glad to see we have a new convert from the rational side! haha

i've in the past made the off hand comment halfway kidding (but actually very serious!)to an unrelenting athiest in a very informal religious debate "just eat some mushrooms and you'll know what i'm talking about" haha

i'm glad you're beginning to probe your reality more and think outside the box!
we need more people to make that change!

but a word of advice if you will...

certain drugs can be great tools for enhancing our perception of 'the mystery', but they are not the only way!
take it with a grain of salt or not,
but i suggest learning the mindfullness meditation technique. don't expect to blast off to another reality the first time you sit down and meditate of course...but there is much in the path to be gained in ways of understanding. i'd give yoga another look too ;)

but good luck on your journey, friend. do what YOU feel is best.

much love
alex
 
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