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..what i'm asking here is what is Intuition..?

and do we all accept that it 'exists'?
..similarly to the term 'consciousness' it is inseparable from our ordinary language and understanding, but rarely examined from a scientific perspective..
what i find important about intuition (especially geometric) is that it occurs in a 'mental space'..
is this space the same as or related to consciousness, or an extension of the mind, or of the brain?
..from a Princeton maths paper which i quoted in the Maths vs. Science thread:

TABLE 1. Taxonomy of Intuition
I. sensory
__A. empirical (i)
__B. pure
_________1. spatial (ii)
_________2. temporal (iii)

II. nonsensory
A. rational
__1. mathematical
_____a. geometric (iv)
_____b. chronometric (v)
_____c. set-theoretic (vi)
_____d. other mathematical
__2. other rational
B. linguistic (vii)
C. heuristic (viii)
D. other nonsensory (if any)
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..i enjoy where science, philosophy and mind meet..

only in the mind can we define infinity..we accept it as a mathematical norm/concept..but we can never measure it..
the mind allows potential observation of the unmeasurable..
if we accept the validity of true intuition, then we have a powerful tool which has not been 'developed' with any rigour..
 
..haha, good first volley cyb :lol:

..the thing is, these are very simple decisions and are trying to force intuition..
it's purely decision based..not 'creative' or 'structural'..it could be random..

they are not monitoring sudden brilliant flashes..formulai, music, dreaming the answer up (later proven correct)
..these are situations where the correct answer is not 'known', is intuited, and then logically demonstrated..
e.g. (of many) the dream about the spiral staircase ala structure of DNA..

also, the monitoring says nothing about the 'Unconscious'..another word where the definition is avoided often..
i don't think there's any way to study this mysterious 'unconscious' directly yet..
and then we have people like Jung who point to a 'collective' non-personal aspect of 'it'..

it doesn't explain how and where the info comes from, only points to the fact that information arrives somehow in the 'conscious' where it can be brain-scanned..
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my own opininon on this topic is that our brains are always taking in too much information all the time , however editing most of the information out as random noise

i believe somehow in the reduction valve concioussness theory , where the concioussness we are experiencing is a measly trickle on this side of the funnel

pure conioussness existing as the infinite is basiclly put into a funnel of the brain we have providing us with very limited awareness compared to infinite concioussness at top of the funnel , just like the funnel contains a lot of water yet only a drop releases every second when adjusted perfectly , as this very drop of concioussness is better at perhaps helping us survive

sometimes valuable information slips down the funnel into our limited awareness and this is intution

i really have no proof , this is what i gather from various sources of information i have come across , i dont know if its really so , yet this is what i like to believe

i've also noticed when one is in the moment , and without thoughts essentially intution works much better somehow , thus i try to be in the moment much of the time
 
I see it like the kashf of the sufis, a supersense. We often interpret intuition as a subconscious perception, a process occurring before the cortex makes us fully aware of it, in a similar way to how dejà vu is explained by neurology, but I cannot really see it that way.

Intuitive capacities seem to be unrelated to experience, knowledge and intellectual capacity. We don't learn intuition, at most we might be able to train ourselves in order to pay more attention to it - which looks like a deconditioning process. Intuitive language is emotional language, not that different from hyperspace language, where codes are bypassed and the perception seems to emanate or collapse from source.

Pardon me for not sticking to a strictly scientific description, but to me intuition is to thought what zen is to action, a process outside intent.
 
my view of it is a sort of mix between vodsels, jins... and the idea that the brain is capable of some sort of non-local abilities that we don't have constant access to

i'm still skeptical as always but i've just documented enough precognitive dreams, psychic experiences, synchs, shared dreams, and other generally unexplained 'impossible' phenomena to the point where it seems likely to me that intuition is intimately tied in with this whole area of experience. Like a watered down version of precognition or telepathy. Its sort of like just automatically flowing in the moment without intention, left-brain chatter quiets down, and being tuned in to reality to the point where you just sort of fluidly act in a spontaneous way that is so in alignment with the situation that it often appears either extremely coincidental/lucky... or psychic ^.^

when i was taking medium/large amounts of caapi and rue at night, and some mornings, i'd have experiences virtually everyday that seemed like telepathy/precognition/intuition. For example i'd suddenly have an image, (not really a vision, although sometimes) in a harmala-esque way, of a person who i hadn't seen or spoken to in month. Then they would call me minutes later. thats a more mundane example though. things like this would happen all day long at times, and often in much more baffling ways
 
I do not know if you guys have seen this TED talk, but it is a lovely one.

Briefly, the guest, who had suffered a stroke, describes her observations on the environment and her own body, and suspects that her consciousness was relying at times only on the right hemisphere. Not to go into any length, her insights may offer valuable input, if not just a beautiful description of her perception.


P.S. funnily enough, did some of her descriptions remind anyone of the effects of a lovely substance?
 
Vodsel said:
I see it like the kashf of the sufis, a supersense. We often interpret intuition as a subconscious perception, a process occurring before the cortex makes us fully aware of it, in a similar way to how dejà vu is explained by neurology, but I cannot really see it that way.

Intuitive capacities seem to be unrelated to experience, knowledge and intellectual capacity. We don't learn intuition, at most we might be able to train ourselves in order to pay more attention to it - which looks like a deconditioning process. Intuitive language is emotional language, not that different from hyperspace language, where codes are bypassed and the perception seems to emanate or collapse from source.

Pardon me for not sticking to a strictly scientific description, but to me intuition is to thought what zen is to action, a process outside intent.
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..hey that's groovy Vosdel..makes for good reading:) ..i particularly like your 'process outside intent' comment..this is how the kind of intuition i'm trying to pin down seems to flow..
an intent or ego base may intefere with the information..

universecannon wrote:
'm still skeptical as always but i've just documented enough precognitive dreams, psychic experiences, synchs, shared dreams, and other generally unexplained 'impossible' phenomena to the point where it seems likely to me that intuition is intimately tied in with this whole area of experience.
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..it's amazing how many quite rational and respected scientists say similar things..
just no known way to test this yet..

Jin wrote:
i've also noticed when one is in the moment , and without thoughts essentially intution works much better somehow , thus i try to be in the moment much of the time
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..this is like Vosdel's 'outside intent' comment..

i guess what i'm imagining and hoping one day could be testable is the existence of either a 'collective unconscious', genetic 'memory' information, or indeed 'akashic' field of externally accessible information..
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but then, i guess there could be super-fast enzyme transformations in the brain, faster than supercomputers, from which this information comes..still no way to test that either..
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still checking out TED talk the Neural, thanks..

return serve cyb..:) ..love all..
 
Intuition;
like a condensed extract of everything your partition has ever experienced carried with you through the eternal moment.
Comes from the same 'place' as everything and nothing- fabricated by our flow systems from the all encompassing experiment of consciousness.
Testing these things in reality will not and never will work. That is the paradox.

Like a musician who walks up to the stage having no idea what she is going to play, every downbeat and all the silence in-between is an opportunity to harmonize and grow what we call our intuition. The art of improvisation is a direct link to this for example.

Awareness is like the exercise needed to build vast irrigation systems. Some things we just know. We are all, and everything we think is between us and beyond, the same exact thing behind the illusion that we are not. Proximity effect isn't even half of the story. Individuality is a facade. We all know by now how this dream works.

Even if it was on paper, that would just make it less real.
 
The ball goes up...and...Thwack!

I like fields...I can visualize them like ‘Swirling Smoke’ or ‘Static’ on an untuned TV

An analogy:

A radio broadcast is beaming its signal from a large tall antenna...the signal propagates omnidirectionally from the mast. It doesn't ‘travel’ in straight lines like a beam...but instead merges and becomes one with the ‘Swirling Smoke’.

Let’s suppose, here, that the signal has no finite range and that it ‘exists’ everywhere within the cloud of smoke at all times...

Now an antenna is erected to receive the transmission...it is just a carefully constructed piece of aluminium, with a wire attached, that resides within the field of ‘Swirling Smoke’.
The wire is attached to the electronic guts of the receiver, which has its own power source.

The power is switched on and a small current of electricity is sent to the aluminium elements of the receiving antenna...
At the interface between the aluminium and the surrounding ‘Smoke’, the current that was sent begins to excite the electrons close to the elements causing a ‘little cloud’ to ‘exist’ around the antenna.

Due to exact shape and tuning of the antenna, this ‘little cloud’ suddenly ‘merges’ with its counterpart (the transmission) and then ‘coalesces’ into a stream of electrical energy that pours through the elements...down the wire...and through the electronic guts where it is decoded and served up as a coherent image.

*The broadcast (Swirling Smoke) is Cosmic Consciousness OR (if you like) an infinite field of Probability.

*The receiving aluminium antenna is ‘US’...Human form, fizzing away, also residing within the Smoke.

*The electronic guts is our functioning Brain.

*INTUITION is the Brains cognition of ‘the little cloud’...the excited little cloud of electrons that is formed just prior to the merging and streaming of the transmission...

*The large tall broadcast antenna is anyones guess right now and in all probability is utterly unknowable.
Lets call it ‘Source’...

*The ball hit the net...Umpires decision...

:love:

'Crystal' Stevie Nix​

Do you always trust your first initial feeling
Special knowledge, holds truth, bears believing
I turned around
And the water was closing all around
Like a glove
Like the love that had finally, finally found me
Then I knew
In the crystalline knowledge of you
Drove me thru the mountains
Thru the crystal-like clear water fountain
Drove me like a magnet
To the sea

How the faces of love have changed turning
the pages
And I have changed oh, but you...you remain
ageless
I turned around
And the water was closing all around
Like a glove
Like the love that had finally, finally found me
Then I knew
In the crystalline knowledge of you
Drove me thru the mountains
Thru the crystal-like clear water fountain
Drove me like a magnet
To the sea​
 
^

What he said :p


Intuition is a language construct/logical statement that does not come into the forefront of consciousness. This is using the abstract definition of language: a method of arranging a set of characters, in this case particles in our little radio smoke cloud, to make a logical statement.


In that sense intuition is the experience of logical statements we understand intimately without needing to process into words; the thoughts in their wordless form convince our brain enough as it is so we are satisfied.



For instance every one intuits that 1+1=2. But it took hundreds of pages of proofs and derivation in the Principia Mathematica to actually come to that result by starting from scratch!
 
The Neural said:
I do not know if you guys have seen this TED talk, but it is a lovely one.

Briefly, the guest, who had suffered a stroke, describes her observations on the environment and her own body, and suspects that her consciousness was relying at times only on the right hemisphere. Not to go into any length, her insights may offer valuable input, if not just a beautiful description of her perception.


P.S. funnily enough, did some of her descriptions remind anyone of the effects of a lovely substance?
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..hey that was a nice video, thanks the Neural :)..and note comments on both DMT and LSD on that page..

attempted explanation still kind of shuffles the 'answer' over to the 'right hemisphere', but this doesn't explain much..i guess more detailed scanning techniques could take the study further..
the right brain is claimed to be the origin of such 'transpersonal' experiences..
my question is could such information be truly 'transpersonal', and not just the sum of process within the cells of each individual brain..

and cyb..still working out if you aced me or not! nice contemplation thanks..
:d
 
Glad you guys liked the TED talk, I think it does provide insights on unusual perceptions and how maybe the effects of certain substances are not that dissimilar to what happens during a stroke or a TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation) application.

nen888 said:
my question is could such information be truly 'transpersonal', and not just the sum of process within the cells of each individual brain..
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I have no idea, but from my perspective, the term "intuition" is highly linked with "predictive" abilities, which from my understanding, is an innate function of the left hemisphere, to gather statistics on what happened before, and "feel" what may happen next (as in, predicting a certain event based on its probability to occur again in a certain timeframe). To me, this sounds not necessarily an unconscious process (maybe the gathering of stats is an unconscious process), but the ability to sense what may come is definitely a conscious one (since the "I" is informed of such a feeling, and is able to articulate it/bring it into perception).

Still, no idea.

P.S. Btw, what happened with the "quote" functions? Appears as if the code does not recognise the argument. Is it just me? Or maybe mozilla?
 
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..cyb wrote:
'Crystal' Stevie Nix


Do you always trust your first initial feeling
Special knowledge, holds truth, bears believing
I turned around
And the water was closing all around
Like a glove
Like the love that had finally, finally found me
Then I knew
In the crystalline knowledge of you
Drove me thru the mountains
Thru the crystal-like clear water fountain
Drove me like a magnet
To the sea

How the faces of love have changed turning
the pages
And I have changed oh, but you...you remain
ageless
I turned around
And the water was closing all around
Like a glove
Like the love that had finally, finally found me
Then I knew
In the crystalline knowledge of you
Drove me thru the mountains
Thru the crystal-like clear water fountain
Drove me like a magnet
To the sea
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..it's game, set and match! ..you've subconsciously intuited that Stevie Nix is one of my all-time favourite female artists..:d
[YOUTUBE]

..i'm glad this thread is tennis and not ice hockey like some of the other science threads at the moment..!:)
 
nen888 said:
..it's game, set and match! ..you've subconsciously intuited that Stevie Nix is one of my all-time favourite female artists..:d
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Get the 'puk' outta here...Really? ... Well bless my fuzzy yellow balls...

Gotta love a bit of Stevie...

I was kinda 'wed' to a Witch for 15 years...most of the Craft works with Intuition and it is a big player in all Occult Majicks.
As Stevie says:
'Do you always trust your first initial feeling
Special knowledge, holds truth, bears believing'​

This is the way I do things when hard decisions have to be made...never let me down yet...
All Hail Eris...
:love:
 
^..heh, heh..yeah i've been married to a witchy type..it's all intuition!
we can always start a new match though..mixed doubles?

the Neural wrote:
I have no idea, but from my perspective, the term "intuition" is highly linked with "predictive" abilities, which from my understanding, is an innate function of the left hemisphere, to gather statistics on what happened before, and "feel" what may happen next (as in, predicting a certain event based on its probability to occur again in a certain timeframe). To me, this sounds not necessarily an unconscious process (maybe the gathering of stats is an unconscious process), but the ability to sense what may come is definitely a conscious one (since the "I" is informed of such a feeling, and is able to articulate it/bring it into perception).
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..this would suggest, if the intuition is entirely a product of cells/functions in the brain, that a similar 'prediction machine' would be able to be constructed one day..
..though, from a quantum POV, probability is the only reality..
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