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Is it possible to use sodium bicarbonate for STB?

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Yes sodium bicarbonate is not strong enough. SWIM prefers calcium hydroxide over NaOH for STB. It's MUCH SAFER and very effective. NaOH is very dangerous and in some locations a purchase of it can get you reported to the police. SWIM never uses it anymore. But for an STB based on calcium hydroxide (lime) you need a semi "dry" tech for it to work properly.
 
how bout roasting ur bicarb in the oven to produce sodium carbonate - wouldnt that be suitable for stb ?
 
By heating sodium bicarbonate, sodium carbonate is made. And yes, sodium carbonate will work. Apparently some say it doesn't work well for mimosa though. I know it works great with chaliponga and chacruna.
 
69ron said:
Yes sodium bicarbonate is not strong enough. SWIM prefers calcium hydroxide over NaOH for STB. It's MUCH SAFER and very effective. NaOH is very dangerous and in some locations a purchase of it can get you reported to the police. SWIM never uses it anymore. But for an STB based on calcium hydroxide (lime) you need a semi "dry" tech for it to work properly.
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Now that you mentioned it, I've been experimenting with lime for a few days, with mixed results.
I tried it with a hot ~10% lime milk and naphta, with a very pure product but too low a yield at first sight. But not a hint of yellow!
Whatever the end result, I don't think I'll do a lye extraction again - if I had to choose between dipping my finger in hot concentrated lye or battery acid I'd pick the latter ;)

Yes, the bicarbonate is much too weak, but sodium carbonate or lime might work better.
Or here´s a crazy idea: sodium silicate, it´s a strong base and cheap.
 
OverDosedLiving said:
SWIM cant find LYE in the WEST us...
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SWIY should check SOAP making supply shops. You want to make a hot soap bath. SWIM suggests getting some oil with it to further the illusion and/or actually making some soap. You need very little lye for soap making or anything else for that matter and they usually sell by the 1-5 lb.

The cold process of soap making takes weeks/months.

Buying Lye is not illegal.
 
Long story short, SWIM tried baking "baking soda" once and using it with sad results.
The only thing he has to add is, he may not have used enough.
 
69ron said:
Yes sodium bicarbonate is not strong enough. SWIM prefers calcium hydroxide over NaOH for STB. It's MUCH SAFER and very effective. NaOH is very dangerous and in some locations a purchase of it can get you reported to the police. SWIM never uses it anymore. But for an STB based on calcium hydroxide (lime) you need a semi "dry" tech for it to work properly.
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Which "dry" tek do you recommend? SWIM would love to make use of the giant bag of calcium hydroxide, rather than draw attention to another purchase of or even deal with lye ever again.
 
NaOH Lye is freely available at small(er) hardware stores like ACE (in West US). It's sold as drain opener ~$5 per lb. See image attached.
Why would a cashier in a store report a customer trying to unclog his drain?..
 

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69ron said:
By heating sodium bicarbonate, sodium carbonate is made. And yes, sodium carbonate will work. Apparently some say it doesn't work well for mimosa though. I know it works great with chaliponga and chacruna.
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..wow..I thought one had to use lye when pulling with naptha..and I hate lye!.. my elf started using sodium carbonate to base after defatting with naptha and pulling the full spectrum of alks from mimosa with 99% iso for red spice..he figures this method may not be so efficient though becasue it would also pull N-oxides..good to know!
 
So would you use the same amount of Calcium Hydroxide as you would have lye in the tek? I would also be interested to know which "dry" tek youd reccomend.
 
check for "KOH" or "KOH flakes" which is potassium hydroxide, from ebay. best alternative suggested for NaOH. It has ph around 13 i guess which is very close to NaOH, and probably not regulated or watched in US like naoh
 
Sinewave said:
69ron said:
Yes sodium bicarbonate is not strong enough. SWIM prefers calcium hydroxide over NaOH for STB. It's MUCH SAFER and very effective. NaOH is very dangerous and in some locations a purchase of it can get you reported to the police. SWIM never uses it anymore. But for an STB based on calcium hydroxide (lime) you need a semi "dry" tech for it to work properly.
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Which "dry" tek do you recommend? SWIM would love to make use of the giant bag of calcium hydroxide, rather than draw attention to another purchase of or even deal with lye ever again.
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One has found that simply mixing powdered MHRB with an equal amount of CaOH, adding enough water to make a loose paste, stirring periodically until dry and extracting with acetone yields a smokable, very broad spectrum extract that could be further refined in many ways.
That's all just preliminary fucking around though - no hard data on yields.
Carbonate would probably work just as well.
 
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