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Is it true that n-oxide is friendlier?

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I have heard reports that n-oxide is friendlier...
Also, is pharma friendlier than smoked?

I ask this as I have pharma that is made with n-oxide, and was told it is friendlier than smoked changa. I am hoping this is true as I have been scared my giblets out recently.
 
For a long time I held that all my experiences with n-oxide laced spice were friendly, warm and loving. That belief evaporated about a month or two ago with one of my most difficult journeys ever, which I was so freaked out by that I ended up binning all of that batch (it was actually a batch that I only got out on special occasions).

Despite the very harsh experience I now have some more and won’t hesitate diving in again. I think that the dark side of spice is generally quite useful if rather complicated at times.
 
How comes people are so sure what they have is n-oxide anyways? Did anybody make a chemical analysis in it? A lot of people say 'oh its yellow its n-oxide', but thats not good reasoning, it can be yellow for several other reasons.

Also some people say its oxide because its an oil, and thats one of the possibilities but I noticed that depending how its yielded, even normal dmt can be oily (for example certain evaporations can yield an oil that refuses to harden but redissolving and freeze-precipitating will yield crystals, even without doing a zinc oxide reduction). Maybe certain impurities or traces of remaining solvent prevent crystallization, or maybe its just the way the molecules arrange themselves making them remain in that kind of oily state, I dont know..

Then there are people that say its oxide because it was for example white dmt but then after long storage it changed appearance, got darker, more waxy. This could potentially be oxidation of dmt, but it could also be that it was only a small amount of oxidation on the outside, not even significant for pharmacological difference, or it could be oxidation of other non-dmt small impurities on the surface of crystals..

And even if people would be sure that they have n-oxide, how many of these people claiming the differences actually did blind-tests ? I never get how people can be so certain of differences in dmt, if I can have COMPLETELY different trips even with the same batch in the same setting with same intentions in the same day, only some minutes/hours appart... ?

I think a lot of it may be self-suggestion, or just people not having had enough experiences with the batches to see how varied the experiences can be, making judgements from one or another experience.

(just had to put this critical questioning out there, im not saying that for sure people dont have n-oxide or that for sure n-oxide is not different than dmt, maybe it is maybe its not, only real testing would tell.. Lets not jump into conclusions too fast)
 
Hmm. I have personally done no analyses of the various batches of orangey oily stuff, but it does seem to be very different to normal amber, yellow or white crystals. The batches I have here are not just the orangey/amber oil, they generally contain some normal DMT crystal too.

It definitely does seem to be very different subjectively though. I suppose due to lack of access to analytical equipment the best I could do would be to perform blind tests or get hold of peroxide to oxidise some material and try that.

The only reason I have come to the conclusion that what I have is n-oxide heavy is descriptions (possibly, as you say, unfounded) on here, difference in appearance, duration and effects. As you say the effects part could be due to suggestion.
 
I've tried at least two very different types of DMT:
1. Snow white, very clean freebase DMT
2. DMT freebase that I let sit for weeks in the open air, this turned slowly into a more yellow and oily substance. It also smelled different, it actually smelled a bit 'rotten' not too much but certainly not fresh like the snow white DMT freebase did.

Of course I cannot state for sure that this is n-Oxide but I tried both and the differences were not more as what you normally have between DMT journeys from the same batch. Maybe I'm not sensitive enough but I have a hard time seeing or feeling anything specifically different between the snow white and the oily DMT.


It would be worth though to test DMT that has been out for a long time in the open and also DMT that has been oxidized by peroxide. To see if we really have n-Oxide or not.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
This stuff is not some yellow DMT, this is ACTUAL n-oxide. A friend made it with a complicated procedure I do not fully understand, but he is an AMAZING alchemist so I believe him when he says it is N-Oxide. It is in tincture form.
I think he might have used h202, but I'm not sure.
 
The Centre said:
This stuff is not some yellow DMT, this is ACTUAL n-oxide. A friend made it with a complicated procedure I do not fully understand, but he is an AMAZING alchemist so I believe him when he says it is N-Oxide.
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:roll: Unless it's actually been analyzed you have no grounds on which to make this assertion...you'll forgive me if I'm skeptical towards this mysterious friend and his "complicated procedure" you don't understand. It's really not hard to oxidize dmt, so it shouldn't be some esoteric process beyond your ken...

I agree with soulfood, the come-up of oxidized spice is definitely slower, which is one reason I found it to be a nice alternative to pure fb on occasion.
 
Well, actually most stuff is beyond my ken ATM. I'm yet to have extracted my own DMT. I'm about to do so once I get all the solvents and stuff though.

Plus, when I said ACTUAL n-oxide I meant it is quite a bit more conclusively so than just yellow spice.
Anyway, I just checked out how he did it, and it looks simple enough, but I can't find the thread he posted it in (in another forum) so I can't post it.
He did convert with some h202 though.
 
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