SWIM gets visuals at 15-18 drops. Nothing intense, but it definitely can be classified as “hallucinogenic”, comparable to maybe 75 mg of mescaline, where there are some visuals but it’s mostly stimulation and euphoria that you get.

I think because of all the horror stories of nutmeg overdoses, people are, for good reason, nervous about taking such a high dose as that. No one knows what it does at that dose. It might be extremely unpleasant.

SWIM is not a risk taker and is not about to jump into a high dose like that with a virtually unknown psychedelic. He’s upping his doses slowly, a few drops each time.

Concerning the variation of the elemicin content in Elemi oil, it might not be a good idea to try 60 drops of some batches. Some Elemi oil is said to contain as much as 20% elemicin, while most contains about 4%. 1 ml is about 36 drops of oil (depending on the dropper used), and weighs about 857 mg or so, at 20% elemicin that would be 171 mg. Most elemi oil is about 4% elemicin so 36 drops would be about 34 mg. That’s a big variance. 60 drops is roughly 2 ml of oil, and 2 ml could contain anything from 68-342 mg of elemicin.

For safety reasons, I recommend no one jumps into taking a large dose. I recommend slowly upping the dose a few drops each time, preferable once a week, or at least once every 4 days. That way if any unpleasant effects become apparent at say 40 drops, you know to be more cautious about taking more.

Also, you should test the potency of each new batch you get, starting at no more than 10 drops. With super potent Elemi oil 10 drops could contain up to 47 mg of elemicin. I don’t know how potent SWIM’s is. I am assuming it is the average 4% content, but maybe it’s higher. I just don’t know.