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Is There Such a Thing as Too Much Water?

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I have a 2000ml pyrex bottle I would like to use in my next extraction due to its tapering towards the top for easier pulling.

As it stands, the bottle has about 1500ml, post basification (using Max Ion).

My assumption is that I can add approximately 400ml to the vessel to bring it to the desired level, and then continue the process.

Would the excess water negatively impact the extraction? If so, how?

Thanks in advance.

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You could do a few simple(ish) calculations to determine the influence the degree of dilution would have on the likely extraction efficiency. That said, the extraction should still work even without adding extra base or salt.
 
downwardsfromzero said:
You could do a few simple(ish) calculations to determine the influence the degree of dilution would have on the likely extraction efficiency. That said, the extraction should still work even without adding extra base or salt.
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Thank you kindly. Query: since it's already been basified sufficiently to break the DMT out of the plant matter, would adding a particular amount of water necessitate more base? If so, how come?

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I'm visualising two effects at play: dilution would cause a small pH drop (nothing to get obsessive about) so in principle a small to tiny yield benefit would be obtained by compensating with a corresponding amount of base, as well as salt if it seemed prudent to maintain the optimal ionic strength. The water added to increase the volume will otherwise be slightly acidic because of dissolved CO2 but I think the process is "bucket" enough for that to be to be insignificant unless you had a good reason for it be otherwise, which we can be pretty certain that, right now, you don't :D

Testing the degree to which it makes any discernible difference to the extraction by using plain water versus that with added salt and/or base would be reasonably straightforward. That difference is likely to be fairly negligible.

In reference to the thread title, there is such a thing as too much water but not in the context of your current extraction unless you end up with insufficient space to be able add NPS and agitate it effectively.
 
downwardsfromzero said:
I'm visualising two effects at play: dilution would cause a small pH drop (nothing to get obsessive about) so in principle a small to tiny yield benefit would be obtained by compensating with a corresponding amount of base, as well as salt if it seemed prudent to maintain the optimal ionic strength. The water added to increase the volume will otherwise be slightly acidic because of dissolved CO2 but I think the process is "bucket" enough for that to be to be insignificant unless you had a good reason for it be otherwise, which we can be pretty certain that, right now, you don't :D

Testing the degree to which it makes any discernible difference to the extraction by using plain water versus that with added salt and/or base would be reasonably straightforward. That difference is likely to be fairly negligible.

In reference to the thread title, there is such a thing as too much water but not in the context of your current extraction unless you end up with insufficient space to be able add NPS and agitate it effectively.
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As always, I appreciate you and your insight. I am curious now, so may attempt an experiment with two different extractions: one with plain distilled water, and another with ph and based water.

But thank you, I ended up adding a little over 500ml to get it where I want. I am hoping there's enough space to sufficiently mix. We'll see in a few days how it goes. May needto go back to the other jars I usually use.

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How about not enough water? What happens with too little water??

The half gallon growler bottles are pretty awesome. Broke one in a heat bath once though.
 
Bisy said:
How about not enough water? What happens with too little water??

The half gallon growler bottles are pretty awesome. Broke one in a heat bath once though.
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If I'm not mistaken, too little water can effect both the acid and base phase. The acid and base may not come into contact with all the plant matter, thus preventing DMT molecules from breaking out and away. During pulls, some of the solvent can get absorbed by the plant matter and not be available to pipette.

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Update: I added too much water... I attempted 6 pulls with very very little yield meaning there was insufficient space for agitation. I will now split the jar into two large Ball jars (which I usually extract from)

Smh

However, thanks Bisy. I ordered one of those bottles :)

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Sweet! Glad to help. The polyfill lids are nice compliment. The metal ones are super thin and don't hold up to repeat off on cycles. The lids are advertised to fit most gallon and half gallon jugs, and they do. Be careful heating and cooling, they crack easy. Like if you boil saline water and add it to warm soup, with stainless funnel, jar won't crack, but neck where funnel rests will.
 
Also, when you heat the soup, it expands and quick!y climbs up the neck. If it's already topped off w nps, it will push it right out.
 
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