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SWIM had mixed results tonight.

200mg jungle fumarate was certainly orally active but only VERY MILDLY psychedelic. It was not enough to orally activate 150mg dmt-fumarate, however--if it's even capable of that at all. SWIM will eventually try 300mg of the jungle, as he suspects it to be much weaker than harmine.

Smoking pure spice after oral ingestion of the jungle was a different matter though. This reminded SWIM very little of smoking jungle or even of oral harmine and smoked spice. It more closely resembled SWIM's THH experiences. This could possibly only be a fluke or a placebo effect, but SWIM highly doubts it. This was one of SWIM's more rich smoking experiences, matched only by his THH experiences, though SWIM would have to see it reproduced to confirm it.

The experience was quite clear (like THH, rather than foggy like harmine) but somewhat chaotic, though not so alien. It had a somewhat primal character to it (more like harmine, less like THH). SWIM would rate it like this: jungle-spice>harmine<THH and THH>jungle-spice. Don't get SWIM wrong though, he enjoys them all.

SWIM more closely examined the physical properties of the salt: It seemed to be very hard and grainy (reminding SWIM a little bit of THH), whereas SWIM's DMT fumarate tends to be either fluffy or rocky.

SWIM wants to believe the apparent THH connections to be more than placebo and coincidence, but still has strong doubts. If any other SWIY's have the resources, please help to confirm or deny SWIM's observations.

<blockquote data-quote="amor_fati" data-source="post: 3217800" data-attributes="member: 623">SWIM had mixed results tonight.200mg jungle fumarate was certainly orally active but only VERY MILDLY psychedelic.&nbsp; It was not enough to orally activate 150mg dmt-fumarate, however--if it&#039;s even capable of that at all.&nbsp; SWIM will eventually try 300mg of the jungle, as he suspects it to be much weaker than harmine.Smoking pure spice after oral ingestion of the jungle was a different matter though.&nbsp; This reminded SWIM very little of smoking jungle or even of oral harmine and smoked spice.&nbsp; It more closely resembled SWIM&#039;s THH experiences.&nbsp; This could possibly only be a fluke or a placebo effect, but SWIM highly doubts it.&nbsp; This was one of SWIM&#039;s more rich smoking experiences, matched only by his THH experiences, though SWIM would have to see it reproduced to confirm it.The experience was quite clear (like THH, rather than foggy like harmine) but somewhat chaotic, though not so alien.&nbsp; It had a somewhat primal character to it (more like harmine, less like THH).&nbsp; SWIM would rate it like this: jungle-spice&gt;harmine&lt;THH and THH&gt;jungle-spice.&nbsp; Don&#039;t get SWIM wrong though, he enjoys them all.SWIM more closely examined the physical properties of the salt:&nbsp; It seemed to be very hard and grainy (reminding SWIM a little bit of THH), whereas SWIM&#039;s DMT fumarate tends to be either fluffy or rocky.SWIM wants to believe the apparent THH connections to be more than placebo and coincidence, but still has strong doubts.&nbsp; If any other SWIY&#039;s have the resources, please help to confirm or deny SWIM&#039;s observations.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="amor_fati, post: 3217800, member: 623"] SWIM had mixed results tonight. 200mg jungle fumarate was certainly orally active but only VERY MILDLY psychedelic. It was not enough to orally activate 150mg dmt-fumarate, however--if it's even capable of that at all. SWIM will eventually try 300mg of the jungle, as he suspects it to be much weaker than harmine. Smoking pure spice after oral ingestion of the jungle was a different matter though. This reminded SWIM very little of smoking jungle or even of oral harmine and smoked spice. It more closely resembled SWIM's THH experiences. This could possibly only be a fluke or a placebo effect, but SWIM highly doubts it. This was one of SWIM's more rich smoking experiences, matched only by his THH experiences, though SWIM would have to see it reproduced to confirm it. The experience was quite clear (like THH, rather than foggy like harmine) but somewhat chaotic, though not so alien. It had a somewhat primal character to it (more like harmine, less like THH). SWIM would rate it like this: jungle-spice>harmine<THH and THH>jungle-spice. Don't get SWIM wrong though, he enjoys them all. SWIM more closely examined the physical properties of the salt: It seemed to be very hard and grainy (reminding SWIM a little bit of THH), whereas SWIM's DMT fumarate tends to be either fluffy or rocky. SWIM wants to believe the apparent THH connections to be more than placebo and coincidence, but still has strong doubts. If any other SWIY's have the resources, please help to confirm or deny SWIM's observations. [/QUOTE]