Juul's Giant potency and character?

[Auxin]

So I've been looking and I cant actually find first hand reports of juul's giant usage.
People always just refer back to Shulgins analytical tests which seemed to show unusual alkaloid composition and consistency for this cactus which may not have properly fit in genus Trichocereus to begin with (it doesnt have hairy flowers) and even as recently as 2005 Shulgin himself could only locate 3 people who ate it. Two of whom said it was very weak and one of whom said it was twice as potent as PC pachanoi. In 2009 when Snu Voogelbreinder published his epic tome the situation was unchanged.
It has somehow gotten popular despite, or perhaps because of, its ambiguity and is now in many peoples collections and is entering into the hybrid scene quite prolifically. So, what do you people think of this critter? Are there any observations about potency or variety specific effects, any reliable reports of safe combination with RIMAs? Or is it just a collectors item?

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

I just ordered two 12 inch cuttings of juuls giant, I intend to bioassay it eventually, but in the mean time I'm also very interested as well, and would love to obtain further information here.

-eg

 

[xram]

In the Ogunbodede paper it was the 2nd highest result, at like 1.4% dry weight for outer green tissue. However, the witches' market pachanoi was 4.7%, so Juuls is far from the holy grail. I'd assume the reports of 2x PC are accurate, if you get the correct clone. Don't have one and never tried it, though, so take that with a heap of salt.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Mine arrived damaged from frost, the package sat on my porch all day in the freezing weather...

It was not the vendors fault, so I did not request a return.

The cactus cutting was not able to be rooted and planted, so I've began to dry and powder it...

Bummer, I wanted a live one, I'm ordering another again in a few weeks.

I may bioassay the powder eventually, I need the time for a mescaline experience, at least one day free and one day to recover...

-eg

 

[wearepeople]

There's a variety of "Juul's giant" out there. I've seen at least 5 distinct clones that all claim to be the real "juul's". From what I understand, in the 90's every pachanoi in the USA that wasn't PC got relabeled as "juul's"....

So as far as going off the clone name, I think it's a wash.

There are a couple that look like spineless pachanoi and others have small to medium spines. All of the clones I've seen are super fat compared to PC.

The "juul's" being used in many of the crosses being made sure is pretty but I don't know the background to it....yet

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Product Description
Cactus Kate® trichocereus are an authentic line of non-cross bred varieties as close to their original source in Peru as has been feasible. Juul's Giant has no know location, or collection site, in the Peruvian Andes. Kate's specimen, from which all clones have been taken, grew in her Watsonville nursery Desert Theatre for decades. Located south of San Francisco where Juul kept his collection, I rescued only a small cactus stump in a clay pot after Kate died. Nursing it back to healthy vigor - it was only in the second year I realized it was a Juul's Giant. Propagation from Kate's single specimen took a decade until sufficient quantities now allow public sales, though in limited quantities. When you grow this outside (zone 9a or better) or in a large tub you'll be rewarded with clusters of slick looking fat columns. A striking trichocereus sub-species of mysterious origins.

This is the "product description" from the vendor I bought from, do you think it's nonsense?

-eg

 

[concombres]

Product Description
Cactus Kate® trichocereus are an authentic line of non-cross bred varieties as close to their original source in Peru as has been feasible. Juul's Giant has no know location, or collection site, in the Peruvian Andes. Kate's specimen, from which all clones have been taken, grew in her Watsonville nursery Desert Theatre for decades. Located south of San Francisco where Juul kept his collection, I rescued only a small cactus stump in a clay pot after Kate died. Nursing it back to healthy vigor - it was only in the second year I realized it was a Juul's Giant. Propagation from Kate's single specimen took a decade until sufficient quantities now allow public sales, though in limited quantities. When you grow this outside (zone 9a or better) or in a large tub you'll be rewarded with clusters of slick looking fat columns. A striking trichocereus sub-species of mysterious origins.

This is the "product description" from the vendor I bought from, do you think it's nonsense?

-eg

I would suggest reading through this this thread in it`s entirety & making a decision based on what you feel is going on there.
Looks like guy is a little shady with origins & identification of his cacti IME.
Last post in the thread has a link.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Product Description
Cactus Kate® trichocereus are an authentic line of non-cross bred varieties as close to their original source in Peru as has been feasible. Juul's Giant has no know location, or collection site, in the Peruvian Andes. Kate's specimen, from which all clones have been taken, grew in her Watsonville nursery Desert Theatre for decades. Located south of San Francisco where Juul kept his collection, I rescued only a small cactus stump in a clay pot after Kate died. Nursing it back to healthy vigor - it was only in the second year I realized it was a Juul's Giant. Propagation from Kate's single specimen took a decade until sufficient quantities now allow public sales, though in limited quantities. When you grow this outside (zone 9a or better) or in a large tub you'll be rewarded with clusters of slick looking fat columns. A striking trichocereus sub-species of mysterious origins.

This is the "product description" from the vendor I bought from, do you think it's nonsense?

-eg

I would suggest reading through this this thread in it`s entirety & making a decision based on what you feel is going on there.
Looks like guy is a little shady with origins & identification of his cacti IME.
Last post in the thread has a link.

Thanks for the link.

Yeah, I generally take these things with a grain of salt, it would be nice to have had some actual background information on my cacti, but when sales are involved I know that accurate information is harder to come by...

-eg

 

[concombres]

Product Description
Cactus Kate® trichocereus are an authentic line of non-cross bred varieties as close to their original source in Peru as has been feasible. Juul's Giant has no know location, or collection site, in the Peruvian Andes. Kate's specimen, from which all clones have been taken, grew in her Watsonville nursery Desert Theatre for decades. Located south of San Francisco where Juul kept his collection, I rescued only a small cactus stump in a clay pot after Kate died. Nursing it back to healthy vigor - it was only in the second year I realized it was a Juul's Giant. Propagation from Kate's single specimen took a decade until sufficient quantities now allow public sales, though in limited quantities. When you grow this outside (zone 9a or better) or in a large tub you'll be rewarded with clusters of slick looking fat columns. A striking trichocereus sub-species of mysterious origins.

This is the "product description" from the vendor I bought from, do you think it's nonsense?

-eg

I would suggest reading through this this thread in it`s entirety & making a decision based on what you feel is going on there.
Looks like guy is a little shady with origins & identification of his cacti IME.
Last post in the thread has a link.

Thanks for the link.

Yeah, I generally take these things with a grain of salt, it would be nice to have had some actual background information on my cacti, but when sales are involved I know that accurate information is harder to come by...

-eg

When marketing comes into play it really seems to muck things up regarding accurate information on genetics & origin of cacti cuttings & seed.

If your dedicated to finding a potent clone or growing a good producing plant I would just start with what you can get, collect & grow a couple rare crosses, cristate & Montrose plants, etc. & then making some friends on sharetheseeds & cacti forums. The best option seems to get cacti cuttings & seed from an honest person who is not in it for the money & keeping the best producers & most valuable cacti alive & thriving for a Long period of time.