rahlii
Rising Star
Hi Folks,
I am currently working on a small project to provide a Diplopterys cabrerana clone to my local ethnobotanical community. As imports of plants and dry source materials are prohibited where I live, growing out seeds supplied by kiwiboXanacaya is the only option for me sourcing this species. I currently have 6 seed grown plants that are similar in form to B. caapi but have large hairy leaves. I have cloned one vine a couple of times while still quite young using a layering method so she should be available within the community soon. I would however prefer to determine her potential as an Ayahuasca source before spreading her to widely to prevent disappointment.
I have read a little online regarding Diplopterys cabrerana and I am familiar with the current thought that there are 3 different species that are regarded to be Chaliponga in South America. This obviously results in there being some contention as to which of the 3 is botanically classified as Diplopterys cabrerana. Seed photos provided by the vendor have a basic resemblance to botanical drawings I have seen of the seed for this species but there remain doubts.
As the community for which I am a part of relies so heavily on grown materials, my first concern is not whether the seed provided will result in Diplopterys cabrerana, but whether it will result in a reliable source material. I assume that this species is likely to result in a reliable source material irrespective of the botanical classification as the vendor also supplies dried Diplopterys cabrerana leaves. The images provided of these leaves in their webstore look very similar to my home grown leaves and they dry to a similar color, so I suspect they are the same species. I can’t however purchase these leaves and brew or x to determine the source potential as they are a prohibited import where I live.
So far given the small size of my 1 year old vines I have only made one small test of the material in the form of a brew. The brew contained 5 g of dried leaves and 40g of dried vine. The resulting journey was reminiscent of previous vine only brews with heavy body load and no tripamine effect. I feel that there are too many factors at play working with such young material so have decided to halt further studies along this line until I can determine a yield through xing some of the older material in a few months time. This will then give me more idea of where to pick up (obviously this wont take into account 5meo so I will still have to remain on the cautious side).
I am starting this thread to both update my work on this species but also to ask for help from fellow Nexian to further knowledge on this species potential as an Ayahuasaca source plant. As this plant is currently within the wider nexus community this knowledge can be gained on two fronts. The first, that I am most interested in, is the potential of the leaf material provide by the vendor. Of interest are the results of any brews or extracts undertaken with the material. Second is where folks are at with working with their home grown material.
Given that the availability of source materials within the wider nexus community is susceptible to unknown future political changes, I believe this work is becoming more and more important towards evolving a sustainable community and I thank everyone who is willing to support and contribute toward this project.
I am currently working on a small project to provide a Diplopterys cabrerana clone to my local ethnobotanical community. As imports of plants and dry source materials are prohibited where I live, growing out seeds supplied by kiwiboXanacaya is the only option for me sourcing this species. I currently have 6 seed grown plants that are similar in form to B. caapi but have large hairy leaves. I have cloned one vine a couple of times while still quite young using a layering method so she should be available within the community soon. I would however prefer to determine her potential as an Ayahuasca source before spreading her to widely to prevent disappointment.
I have read a little online regarding Diplopterys cabrerana and I am familiar with the current thought that there are 3 different species that are regarded to be Chaliponga in South America. This obviously results in there being some contention as to which of the 3 is botanically classified as Diplopterys cabrerana. Seed photos provided by the vendor have a basic resemblance to botanical drawings I have seen of the seed for this species but there remain doubts.
As the community for which I am a part of relies so heavily on grown materials, my first concern is not whether the seed provided will result in Diplopterys cabrerana, but whether it will result in a reliable source material. I assume that this species is likely to result in a reliable source material irrespective of the botanical classification as the vendor also supplies dried Diplopterys cabrerana leaves. The images provided of these leaves in their webstore look very similar to my home grown leaves and they dry to a similar color, so I suspect they are the same species. I can’t however purchase these leaves and brew or x to determine the source potential as they are a prohibited import where I live.
So far given the small size of my 1 year old vines I have only made one small test of the material in the form of a brew. The brew contained 5 g of dried leaves and 40g of dried vine. The resulting journey was reminiscent of previous vine only brews with heavy body load and no tripamine effect. I feel that there are too many factors at play working with such young material so have decided to halt further studies along this line until I can determine a yield through xing some of the older material in a few months time. This will then give me more idea of where to pick up (obviously this wont take into account 5meo so I will still have to remain on the cautious side).
I am starting this thread to both update my work on this species but also to ask for help from fellow Nexian to further knowledge on this species potential as an Ayahuasaca source plant. As this plant is currently within the wider nexus community this knowledge can be gained on two fronts. The first, that I am most interested in, is the potential of the leaf material provide by the vendor. Of interest are the results of any brews or extracts undertaken with the material. Second is where folks are at with working with their home grown material.
Given that the availability of source materials within the wider nexus community is susceptible to unknown future political changes, I believe this work is becoming more and more important towards evolving a sustainable community and I thank everyone who is willing to support and contribute toward this project.
