No, I have been dabbling in a fair bit of fairly weak changa which has been most enjoyable, and also just did a test run of Gibran's caapi tek on my remaining black caapi, as well as ordering a large stock of whole red and white vine, I am going to do another brew this month, I'm not sure whether to go red or white first! Maybe I should do a small extraction on each to make it a bit more scientific. Check your PMs.