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laser vaporizer?

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Parshvik Chintan

Parshvik Chintan

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i was wondering if it is possible to get an exact and consistent enough DIY burning laser (such as this one or the many others like it) to get an efficient vaporization.

it seems like it would be cooler than a torch, and i would imagine there would be less hot objects for you to burn yourself with (with the obvious exception of whatever you are heating, i haven't had experience with burning lasers, but i would assume they remain cool).

i don't really know much about what i am talking about here (something about photons?) i would appreciate it if someone more knowledgeable could chime in.

EDIT: found this video as well, it does seem like it takes a couple seconds to get that cig to light, but wouldn't that still be good enough for vaping? (assuming ofc they didn't edit the first 4 mins out lol)
 
I've always wondered this ever since I first saw videos on how to make one of these lasers. My guess though, is that it wouldn't get hot enough fast enough. I could be wrong though, I've never made or used one myself before.
 
I suggested this idea before, but people came at me from all sides saying it would be dangerous.
Blindess hazards and whatnot.
Allthough I don't see the fuss if the laserbeam is focussed on a thin, heat-conductive metal plate.

If the plate is heated from below by the beam of a cranked up laser-pen it would become really hot,
pretty fast. Any spice or similair crystals placed on top of this metal plate would quickly evaporise.
You just have to place a small lightbulb over the plate and I think it would make a pretty decent vaporiser.

If you also made the metal-plate piece removable then you could easily clean it if nececairy. Or just
replace it with a new, clean metal plate.


Xemnas said:
I've always wondered this ever since I first saw videos on how to make one of these lasers. My guess though, is that it wouldn't get hot enough fast enough. I could be wrong though, I've never made or used one myself before.
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What? Awesome! Please share that video on how to make a laser with us here!
And I bet a proper laser, if cranked up, could supply enough heat. Visit www.kipkay.com
Great site, lots of instructables on hacks of all kinds of devices. In one of them he buys a
proper laser-pen from a webshop(adress in video) which he then modifies to project a more
powerfull, hotter laser-beam. He does this by simply removing the power-button, turning a screw under it a bit looser and putting the button back in place. This pimped up laser-pen
can pop balloons, light matches, burn holes in paper..etc in seconds.

This should do the trick. And if the heat from 1 isn't enough you could always use 2 of these cranked up laserpens, focussing their beams in 1 and the same spot.
 
suggested this before too
a dvd writer lazer (250ma or more of 650nm) could be used.
i got the same replies as ska (too dangerous etc...) but i think if housed correctly - it could work out just fine.
 
How about a metal housing that has a thinner plate(the material is the only problem since it will be damaged every time by the laser? maybe ceramics? the combo with the diode and the surface material must be perfect... titanium?) on the top and and attachement for glass piece and a tube and by flicking a switch the laser in the metal tube will light up and make the plate on top of the tube hot vaporizing the stuff? Thus there would not be any leaks of light if the plate would be "soldered" to the end of the tube?

so the plate under the attachement for the glass piece ][ is soldered to the sides of the tube...

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the bottom end piece has the laser diode and its housing housed in it and probably would take a small bit of metal pipe to house the circuits etc... (sry about the dots as they were necessary since forum deletes empty spaces

pointing this since no-one has yet posted a link to: Laser Pointer Forums - Discuss Laser Pointers | High Power Lasers

EDIT: also to measure how long it would take to make it vaporizing temp and do somekind of timer so the device would not be on while people would be on
 
the other issue is that a laser beam is highly focused... from a laser pointer, typically <1 mm sq at 10 - 12".

from what I've noticed, using a 0.1 W 405 nm blu-ray, is that it burns a very tiny hole
through paper, pin-sized. you could superheat a similar sized piece of metal, but the surrounding metal would be rapidly cooled.
I know it seems like a cool idea, but energy would be better spent on an electrical resistance-type device.
 
benzyme said:
the other issue is that a laser beam is highly focused... from a laser pointer, typically <1 mm sq at 10 - 12".
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why not try swirling the laser around, or just using a really skinny bowl :p
 
hyperspace glasses, eh?
seems like a reasonable exchange for harnessing light to administer DMT.
these class IV lasers do look badass (though dangerous - but what badassery isn't?)

also would it be possible to take say two or three laser diodes (not class 4) all pointed towards each other so the beams essentially merge(from a comfortable distance) so that the heating area is larger?

also also would this issue not matter for a GVG or something similar that uses a heating element?

also also also, does distance matter much with laser-heating (i.e. is closer hotter or the same from any distance)?
 
I've built two lasers. Ever focused sunlight with a magnifying glass? It's basically the same thing. The focal point of the beam that is powerful enough to heat or burn objects is so small that you could vaporize single crystals of DMT at a time. But in order to heat up all your DMT in an efficient enough manner to not waste any while still inhaling enough for a dose you would have to use multiple lasers at the same time. Also just moving your laser 1/16th of an inch either closer or farther away and your out of the focusing point. Which means no heat.

Also you have to understand safety is extremely important with lasers that are capable of burning or even heating. A normal store bought laser is <5 milliwatts. A laser capable of sufficiently lighting a cigarette would need to be >300 with the green diodes and >500 with diodes around the ultraviolet and infrared spectrum. These laser WILL temporarily blind you if you manage to get the light in your eye either directly or indirectly via ANY reflective surfaces for a second. A couple seconds, and you might have permanent damage.

You would be surprised how reflective things are that you didn't think were reflective. Shining my laser around the room and I got blasted a couple times in a row.
 
anrchy said:
You would be surprised how reflective things are that you didn't think were reflective. Shining my laser around the room and I got blasted a couple times in a row.
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playing with a laser pen while blazing is how i came up with this idea in the first place :p
but i only plan on using it in a safe manner (still though, lasers)

but would the overly directed heating affect devices using heating elements, or would lasers be ok to use with the GVG?
 
What do you mean by effecting devices using heating elements? Do you mean would it be damaging?

The main issues with trying to use a laser would be the very small point at which it would heat up, and the intense amount of heat, and the speed at which it reachs that high temperature.

So if you were to point a single laser at the gvg ceramic filter, at the correct distance in a single spot without moving at all, that spot about the size of say 5 or less grains of sand, would heat up to 700° in about 3-4 seconds (varies with different wattages). You would then have to move it slightly, again and again, in order to heat up the other parts which would be cooling off. You cant move it very fast because it takes a couple seconds or so depending on the material to heat it up enough.

The higher the power the higher the temp it will produce. But the same size area you will heat up at one time. So yes at a certain wattage a laser can/will damage anything.

There's a YouTube video of a Glass tube laser at 1 watt or so that eventually starts smoldering a cinder block a little.

Here a link to a handheld laser for a decent price for how powerful it is.

You do not want to follow those cheap do it yourself tutorials on making lasers. Those diodes were not meant to handle the amount of amperage your sending them and will burn out shortly. They are also fairly low in wattage.

Mohgasm.com is a good site for parts. If your interested in building a laser I can provide you with some good links to gettin you started on a quality laser build.

Technically you can't buy prebuilt lasers in the US and some other countries, you have to buy the parts and assemble it. Australia a lot of time will seize any parts as well since lasers are kind of illegal there.
 
I got a 200mW red laser that can burn things. Whipping it out as we speak, what a lively idea! At 200mW you can burn stuff but the vaporisation rate may be slow. I can use it to engrave cardboard at a reasonable but slow rate.
 
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I think it sounds like a cool idea, but it does seem unnecessarily dangerous to me. A normal laser pointer won't damage your eye that bad. A minor glance across they eye may cause temporary blindness. An infrared [burning] laser pointer will do serious permanent damage to the eye instantly. I work in a laser lab at a university and had to go through a laser safety course when I started. Part of it was a disturbing video of a presumably dead rabbit's eyeball being melted by an infrared laser. It's hard for me not to take such lasers seriously when remembering that video.

In the lab, we keep all beams level and at waste height so that there are no stray beams at eye level. Of course you have to be very careful about bending down to pick things up and things like wristwatches are considered extremely dangerous. I think that vaporizing DMT would be excessively hazardous if it involved pointing an infrared beam at a reflective vaporizer. It would be even more dangerous in a group.
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Sorry for preaching about safety when you've heard the same thing from so many others. I just felt it important that the dangers of infrared lasers should be emphasized once again.

Regarding the feasibility of this project, there are 3 things that I think would make laser vaporization much safer if not completely safe:
1. Everyone in the vicinity of the vaporizer wears goggles that filter out infrared.
OR 2. The laser is somehow mounted to the GVG such that it can only point into the bowl (or whatever it's called) and the beam cannot escape.
OR 3. The beam is expanded via a lens so that it is only hot at close range (within, say, 3 inches). A negative infrared lens could be mounted to the end of the laser and this would make it much safer to work with around eyeballs (since beam power decreases by 1/distance^2 for an expanded beam).

2 and 3 are essentially the same suggestions that phlux and SKA made (respectively).
 
The problem isn't just safety, although this part I think is the most important part to consider, but the size of the focal point, the point at which the beam is able to increase temperature, is too small.

You would only be heating a section the size of a pen stroke. This is completely non feasible. Especially given the reason why the GVG works so well, because your heating all the DMT up at the same time.

This simply would not work at all without burning DMT as well as not vaporizing all of it.
 
Hyperspace disco vaporizer! GROOVY!!!

So what in reality would need to happen is the laser heats the bowl and not the spice. The beam could be further away and shine on the metal bowl and heat up the spice. Kinda like the old vaporizers back when they first came out, they were just a bowl on top of a soldering pen with a mason jar over top and a hose.
 
Electric Kool-Aid said:
Hyperspace disco vaporizer! GROOVY!!!

So what in reality would need to happen is the laser heats the bowl and not the spice. The beam could be further away and shine on the metal bowl and heat up the spice. Kinda like the old vaporizers back when they first came out, they were just a bowl on top of a soldering pen with a mason jar over top and a hose.
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That wouldn't work as the beam needs to be focused to a point to generate heat. Only a millimeter of the beam (wherever it's focused to) will do the job. Like I said it won't work as you can only heat up a small fraction of an area at a time.
 
Salutations Parshvik Chintan,

Parshvik Chintan said:
...to get an efficient vaporization.
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You'll probably find that the idea of a LASER vaporizer has been discussed a long while ago, at least i'm aware of this reminescence of a YouTube video now private:

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YouTube - VAPORIZING Herbs with a 15W LED: Pure Photon Energy Vaping. Vapor Brothers Vaporizer...

Personally i believe IH + Curie Alloys may initiate the next big trend once PhyTherm kitchen items become available to hobbyists.

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