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rawmo

rawmo

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Hey there,

just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience?

Last night took ~ 80-100 mg thru a vapouriser [standard amount @ the moment].

One thing SWIM have been noticing on the onset [standardly] is when observing lines in a room [e.g. draws, roof tiles] as the experience develops the nature of dimensionality starts to alter / get an aspect of impossibility... [in a similar way to a how a tesseract would be for your standard cubic structure].

With the onset of this experience it came on really hard and fast,
SWIM was in a place [sort of silvery] everything moving @ incredibly fast pace, yet smoothly, (think hyperdimensional hydroslides). These lines moved through other dimensions [i.e. fundamentally connected and semi able to 'perceive' the existence of this dimensional space-time. SWIM met some beings [maybe 3?,, discrete [whole] numbers didn't mean so much] that moved through these 'multi-dimensional lines'. They showed SWIM how to travel these lines, it was an incredible experience, ecstatic in the extreme, and with a fundamental 'love/interconnectivity'.
As the experienced developed they offered for SWIM to stay with them, but SWIM declined as SWIM had my world to return to [SWIM'd miss SWIM's wife etc ; )].
They couldn't understand that as a concept and questioned SWIM on it, and were fascinated that something like emotions existed.

This is where it gets even trippier [as if it wasn't enough already]
As SWIM started to come back into this world it was a bit of an effort as they wanted SWIM to stay with them.
SWIM observed myself re-wrap into this reality,
the closest thing SWIM can explain it to was how a transformer changes, but with dimensions instead of metal bits,
it folded in on all these impossible angles like an amazing origami construction, each aspect a relationship between the dimension folded in and the resultant simplified dimensions] (sort of at times had glyph, symbol type visual reference to them).
SWIM watched SWIMs arm 're fold' from a multiple dimensions in this amazing cascade of wrapping up of inter-relationships. [much like water flowing down into a sink plug hole (SWIM)].
SWIM had SWIMs eyes open at this time in the room and experienced the room main sections 're-folding' into standard space time, each aspect of the previous dimension 'locking up with a 'glyph'.
As each dimension folded in the concept of of it ceased to 'make sense' in relation to the current dimensional perspective. [i.e. what had been 'dimensionally consistent' before ceased to after it had folded in and locked itself away.

This continued for maybe 10-15 mins,
SWIM looked at SWIMs still 'dimensionally pixellated' hand after say 12 mins and could observe the finer details [down to approx 5mm x 5mm] folding in and locking back in place, [yet again with the standard pattern / system of 'impossible angle adjusting/re-folding into smaller and smaller resolutions]
maybe 25-30 mins later the space time resolution was at standard day to day levels.
Felt a bit flat today, brain not going @ 100%,
equally have been doing heaps of study [post grad philosophy thesis writing] so that could account for it. ; )


Absolutely mind boggling stuff, intense and an awareness of dimension wrapping that SWIM hadn't experienced before.
Anyone else had that sort of dimension wrapping experience?
Any feedback appreciated, any artists had a similar experience and drawn this? [and can provide a url of the piccy].

ace
 
the begining and end of that trip sounds exactly how i feel every time i trip. Where i see things which are impossible and coming down feels like these things are folding away and conforming to normal reality which begins to make sense as time passes. Thank you for posting because i could not explain this before today. :)
 
cool,
good to know I wasn't alone on that one.

Been doing some extra research on that sort of thing the last few days,
[check out stuff on super symmetry, the monster (check on newscientist.com for that, it's a 196 000 dimension object), and also if you have more spare time, on how the class of solitons (particulalry quasi solitons and kink waves) break these symmetries (our nerve impulses are quasi solitons, and our morphology / physical development is heavily influenced by kink waves).

i'll keep on working on how some of the experiential (in / out) nature of the trip can [perhaps basically] be understood in relation to dimensional folding etc.
hopefully there will be a way to translate some of the concepts down into the limits of language..

anyone that has any URLs etc wrt the more theoretical aspects of the phenomena re exit/entry from our space time (e.g. potential links to research fields in philosophy of mind, theoretical physics/math etc), please post them : )
 
right on ! You flash me back too ! You sound well practiced now ! ...

It sounds so similar to my recollections - when the journey ends and you begin to come back everything and everyone starts 'folding away' as if the elves were retracting into their hypercubes - like a jack-in-the-box, but folding itself back in... and that's often all I can recall - the flipedeedoodah they all do back into he walls, and then I grapple to remember the games we played out in Hyperspace .

I wonder what 'healing' can be done to ourselves when in that state ..!?

The water-going-down-a-drain image/experience/informational-download is also a common one for me. During the last full moon it happened over and over - the stage sets itself to 'go' - A coloured patchwork of walls in the ante-chamber becomes full of silvery light, then the veil parts as a water-curtain, a shower of silvery light that flows over a (female) 'goddess'and then down a 'drain'. I'm suppsed to follow the beautiful image's expression to that 'folded-out' space ... that was a recurring 'entry-phase' image ... amongst many ... !

Drink a big mug (300ml or more) of Cocoa - sweeten up 30 g of Hershey's, drink the warm elixir, relax a bit, and then try another time with 80 mg ... !
 
Great post.

Your description of the folding definitely resonates with a similar account. Outdoors in the mountains, with eyes closed, the subject experienced what felt like the 3rd eye opening fully to view a beyond fish-eye 360 degree vista of the entire landscape around them brightly lit (even though it was pitch black, nighttime, during a new moon). When the full vista emerged into view, it immediately began folding (at an accelerating rate) in the manner of a mirrored tesseract rotating around a bisecting plane. With each impossible fold, the subject's awareness of this reality and their consciousness was further and further compressed until all was a singularity through which hyperspace was entered (revealing an infinite, timeless space above an unknown solar system where the subject floated for what felt like approximately 5 hours, but that's another story).

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The folding was attempted to be described and met with some recognition from another subject who reported a similar experience indoors where the room transformed in the manner of the hellraiser cube, leaving the subject's observational consciousness in a different part of the room than their physical body before transforming again and returning to their physical body.

The Yoshimoto cube comes close to demonstrating aspects of the phenomenon within tangible reality but pales in comparison.
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**EDIT:
Hmm, craft time tonight I think:
 
Darkbb said:
the begining and end of that trip sounds exactly how i feel every time i trip. Where i see things which are impossible and coming down feels like these things are folding away and conforming to normal reality which begins to make sense as time passes. Thank you for posting because i could not explain this before today. :)
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here's some more info I found that might be useful re dimensions, ,
[and how you see them running a slice thru more complex dimensional shapes].
we'll it's pretty much along the lines of what people I know experience visually in hyperspace.

Hyperspace Star Polytope Slicer

Java Applet: Stereoscopic Cross-Sections of 4-dimensional Star Polytopes
dogfeathers.com

any comments appreciated :: )

chur
 
origami man.. i know what you're sayin! origami style is always one of the first things i see when it hits me. everything unfolds origami style.. next time when they offer you to stay with them. do so! never decline their offers! Even if it might seem like a whole life.. you will come back eventually. Trust in the spice. It has never killed anyone. But I must say.. 80-100mg is QUITE an amount. Try less and you might be able to say more about it afterwards. such high doses tend to mess with you remembering what actually happened.
peace man! take it easy! lots of love & light!
 
"it folded in on all these impossible angles" ...

yes, I've seen that. Every object in the room twisted in a grotesque (yet beautiful) 4th spacial dimension, turned round on itself. in... an impossible way.

thats a good way to describe a DMT experience: Impossible.

rofl :)
 
lorax said:
origami man.. i know what you're sayin! origami style is always one of the first things i see when it hits me. everything unfolds origami style.. next time when they offer you to stay with them. do so! never decline their offers! Even if it might seem like a whole life.. you will come back eventually. Trust in the spice. It has never killed anyone. But I must say.. 80-100mg is QUITE an amount. Try less and you might be able to say more about it afterwards. such high doses tend to mess with you remembering what actually happened.
peace man! take it easy! lots of love & light!
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yeah, totally agree with you re the staying with them, realised that after coming back. [doh ; ) ] (you can't take ego into what is egoless...but you're always going to come back etc)
am still relatively new to this, so am in the process of applying the theory to the practice. : )
yup, i'll do some step progressions of amounts in the next 'jumps' [in the aim to make it more intelligible when back]

thanks for your advice, really appreciated.
 
rawmo said:
here's some more info I found that might be useful re dimensions, ,
[and how you see them running a slice thru more complex dimensional shapes].
we'll it's pretty much along the lines of what people I know experience visually in hyperspace.

Hyperspace Star Polytope Slicer

Java Applet: Stereoscopic Cross-Sections of 4-dimensional Star Polytopes
dogfeathers.com

any comments appreciated :: )

chur
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Excellent page. The links to related pages also have some good content. That star polytope slicer is visually reminiscent of this link which demonstrates a successful 2D approximation of the 3D phenomena:

Curiously, it's a visualization of parity rules of cellular automata, which strikes a relevant chord as these visual phenomena often feel like much more than pretty eye tricks, rather glimpses of folding dimensions with substance and life of their own.

(Worth noting is the effects of combining small sublingal doses of THH (~20mg) prior to smoking continuous (~10 min apart) low doses of DMT (~7-15mg). Peak visuals on sub breakthrough dosages are intensified and lengthened providing the voyager with more time to process the visual aspect of the experience with a clearer thought process. All suggested dosages vary per user.)
 
rawmo said:
Absolutely mind boggling stuff, intense and an awareness of dimension wrapping that SWIM hadn't experienced before.
Anyone else had that sort of dimension wrapping experience?
Any feedback appreciated, any artists had a similar experience and drawn this? [and can provide a url of the piccy].
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Brilliant description of how it can be, thanks! Yes, a launch can be very much like your head is unfolding, it can be very much like really entering a 4+ dimensional space.

Rawmo do you know this?

Dimensions

www.dimensions-math.org www.dimensions-math.org
Nice 3d visualisations of hyperdimensional bodies. Obviously, nothing comes even close to the hyperspace we experienced...
 
tryptographer- awesome links

I'm guessing Rob Brayton's awesome video: Imagining the 10th Dimension has made the rounds in this forum before but it's worth linking to in this thread since it's becoming a dimensional link vortex:

Imagining the Tenth Dimension - A Book by Rob Bryanton

Imagining the Tenth Dimension, a new way of thinking about time and space, a book by Rob Bryanton
www.tenthdimension.com

While not a highly visual representation in the manner of the rest of the links on this thread, it's definitely one of the better descriptions of dimensions beyond what we experience on a regular basis and well worth watching.
 
freethinker said:
While not a highly visual representation in the manner of the rest of the links on this thread, it's definitely one of the better descriptions of dimensions beyond what we experience on a regular basis and well worth watching.
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Hey thanks for the links, I'll have to watch the second half of that youtube video another 20+ times to get the idea ;)

But DMT hyperspace is more than just a hyperdimensional space, how about the entities? Are they really creatures from a higher dimension?

Anyone ever heard of Matti Pitkänen? A Finnish mathematician/physicist who singlehandedly developed a unified theory of everything: TGD (Topological GeometroDynamics if I'm not mistaken). Another Big Toe including consciousness.
The downside is that his material is utterly unreadable for non-specialists like me and 99.9999 of the rest of mankind... but somehow i think he is onto something.

As usual, more new questions pop up than answers, and I love it ;)
 
cheers tyrptographer for the link to the dimension vids,

they are really good and definitely map some of the visualisations [or at least let the intellect feel more comfortable with (what after all) is only there doing its own thing ; ) ]

have you read 'flatland'? [it's a free download on the net].

On the extra nature of higher dimensional shapes that we 'perceive' (or sterioscoped) onto our dimensions during the experience, does anyone have any info as to how that relates into physics? i.e. wrt folded up dimensions, or can these 'hyper shapes' still be present in our universe in some way (in that they are used to map so much of it (espc in quantum theory).

I spose shapes being hard enough, it'd be hard to do the math or whatever to determine if separate 'consciousnesses' could then exist and 'evolve' within that world.

re entities in DMT Hyperspace, I spose you'd just [if my random musings are consistent], be observing a sterioscopic representation of them as well, [i.e. their projection thru a pole onto our dimensions]. that would explain perhaps why they are so twisty-turny inside-outside 😉 .

[and if 'they' were multi-dimensional, does that mean that they'd be able to 'see' more of you** , or inside you than we could of other people on this plane, [and hence, (here's my hippy (or perhaps Socratic) side coming out that they are so friendly coz they see the total person they are interacting with, not just the 'front' that humans interact on (this is also a sort of expansion from 'Flatland')

hmm, it's got me stumped...:)
oh the joy of an adventure!

** in the same way a 4 dimensional being could look/reach inside a 3 dimensional box that was [for us] closed. [i'm pretty sure i have this right, but if not let me know]
 
freethinker said:
Excellent page. The links to related pages also have some good content. That star polytope slicer is visually reminiscent of this link which demonstrates a successful 2D approximation of the 3D phenomena:
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Thanks for that link :) the patterns it generates reminds me of what happened to the keys on a friend's keyboard in: new pipe allows accessing high alien technology - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
 
tryptographer said:
Brilliant description of how it can be, thanks! Yes, a launch can be very much like your head is unfolding, it can be very much like really entering a 4+ dimensional space.
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haha, yes. With eyes open, seeing objects in the room inhabit the space is quite an experience. They either automagically seem to be in the perfect position - i.e exactly where they should be, even though it may be messy - or they seem to backflip repeatedly as described in the above thread.

Anyway, the only thing im sure of is that swim hasn't seen everything this molecule has to offer yet!
 
rawmo said:
cheers tyrptographer for the link to the dimension vids,


On the extra nature of higher dimensional shapes that we 'perceive' (or sterioscoped) onto our dimensions during the experience, does anyone have any info as to how that relates into physics? i.e. wrt folded up dimensions, or can these 'hyper shapes' still be present in our universe in some way (in that they are used to map so much of it (espc in quantum theory).
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I know dick all about physics but I read Hawking's brief history of time for dummies ( A briefer history of time) and all as "dumbed down" as it was it needed to be a little dumber for me. But I remember mentions of parts of the universes with many forces which differed from our gravitational support and our sub-atomic quantum physics. The gist is basically on the sub-atomic level in our area of space it's all very unstable and there are rips and tears and shapes shifting in the fabric which are pulled back together by electromagnetism so appear to be uniform. So there really isn't anything to say that this can't happen in another realm of space time where this sub-atomic activity can actually take place on a much larger scale.

As our bodies are built to deal with our local forces and probably would be torn apart or squashed by a more unstable environment governed by another set of physics, it doesn't mean that these incidents aren't impossible it's just that we're not physically able to experience them.

For example a realm of space with a gravitational pull so strong that only one dimension exists obviously could not sustain life as we know it or a space that we can even comprehend.

Anyway I don't have the chops to be re-hashing hawking but I'm sure that's the avenue you need to look into when finding likely homes for these wonderful shapes/dimensions.

The only problem I can see is using sub-atomic physics as a model. These distortions of time and space are very random and probably wouldn't cause anything as uniform as the above mentioned dimensions/shapes. But then think of the probability of we have living here on this planet. Good gravity, heat, water and all the nourishment you need.

Well considering the universe is vast and endless it's probably pretty likely there's many more like us. But then in that same model there must be many more unlike us.


That's my brief history of time for even dumber people who didn't get all that other shit that I still don't get but have the audacity to try and re-tell as gospel.

Am I on the right track or am I doing a bad job of trying?
 
wow - before I could think againg, to type, I had to stop laughing from reading that other post Shoe ..!

And so what were we talking about here ..!? ... when words like 'backflipping' .. make you enter a trance !!., That word instantly had me trying to remember more of what they were doing ... in their unfolded hyperspace. Entities inhabit that mathematical space - how could it be denied once you've encountered that part of yourself..!?..!?

But eyes closed is usually how I go. I keep remembering - seeing and feeling a metronomic yes/no yes/no filp-flop filp-flap ... I called it metro-'gnomic' nodding once before - as in 'gnomes' fliping their polarity with a steady beat ... it could be a finger flipping back and forth ( pendulum on a hyperspace-toy - tick tock tick tock ..) or maybe a 'bounce' in their movements. Like they have a frequency to communicate 'on' ... while all the rest of the experience is going on - maybe a way to get my attention...?
 
Lol thanks el ka bong. I am the enjoy your thread too!

SWIM has encountered that same tick-tock-tick you're talking about too, except that he got it while casually smoking a joint of DMT in the bath, and more with the thought processes. it also went with the steady bobbing up and down of the water. he realised how he was alive, yet he wasn't alive... hmn, its pretty strange but - he'd realise how something is true, and then how its not true, and then something else, It was a long time ago so he says he can't remember any specific examples. But when I mentioned this he said it felt very familiar!
 
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