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aliendreamtime

aliendreamtime

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Hey folks,

I've been considering the myriad benefits of changa lately. I would love to have a nice little psychedelic stash to get into on an occasional evening without the full commitment of the more popular means. I've heard changa is much like ayahuasca(but I imagine shorter and...different)

Anyways I was wondering if this would work. I dont have anything extracted already.

What I want to do is soak some MHRB and some P. harmala seeds in ethanol for about a week and reduce, with each in a seperate bottle. Maybe repeat 2 or 3 times. Then I plan on cleaning the MHRB residue with acetone. What could I clean the harmalas with?

Does anyone know if this will be potent enough to get effects from a couple of tokes?

I am not interested in an A/B extraction or using any organic solvents. I wouldnt mind using D-limo for a full-on extraction, but I'd have to order it online and I'm not going to do that either.

Can I make a simple changa get-up without going the whole 9 yards to crystallization?

I'm thinking of doing a test batch of 15g MHRB and 10g rue, and just testing for potency.

Thoughts? I'll report with progress.
 
are you thinking of drying it down to a resin or using the ethanol as menstrum to be soaked up by some herbs? the latter seams like a good way to go..i dont know about trying to smoke the resin but i guess you could try?
 
no this is a complete waste of time and mimosa. Might as well save it for drinking and not waste it. You will just end up with impure tannin rich resin with DMT salts in it.

What you can do is this..but it is more work than many other teks that use np solvents out there..so I dont get why you dont want to use limonene or vegetable oils etc..but if you still want to you can do this tek..and you can make changa and break through this way. This was the first tek I ever did and I just sort of made it up and it works. It smokes harsher than purer DMT though so beware of that.

Take the mimosa and boil it in a solution of water and vinegar..do 3 washes and then filter the liquid through a t-shirt and collect it all and reduce it..

Evaporate the tea down all the way into a dry resin..it will look like purple shiny stuff..scrape it up with a razor blade and mix in sodium carbonate and a tiny bit of water..just enough water to make a paste..mix it around a bit in a small litte dish or whatever as it freebases and then let it dry.

Once it is dry powder it up and do 3 washes on it with warm iso(if you cant do this safely than use room temp iso..do not risk blowing yourself up). Filter each wash through cotton balls if available..otherwise a t-shirt..and evaporate to a resin again.

Take this resin and dissolve in iso once more..it will be difficult to dissolve so this is why I say warm iso..or a hot water bath..mix it until everything that will dissolve is dissolved..then filter out the crap and collect the liquid.

let the liquid sit and if more crap drops out then either filter it better or get a dropper and remove the liquid from the sediment junk..

Now all you have to do is evaporate this onto some caapi leaf or whatever leaf you want to use for changa..What I did is this...if I used 100g of bark I added it to 2g of leaf..assuming 1.5% or more..so if you use 50g of bark use 1g of leaf. Stir it as it evaps so you have a consistant mix. Then you smoke it.

Dont just make rue tea and evap that onto it..it will just end up making a changa that is a sticky mess..this mimosa tek already makes a very stick changa, but it does do the job. I would manske the rue it is soooooo easy, and add some of that to the iso when you make the changa.

I never used ethanol but I dont see why you cant use it in place of iso.

NOTE..do not try this with other leafy sources or plants with more oils! The reason this tek works well enough is that mimosa does not have too many oils and fats. If you did this with chacruna for instance you would have an oily mess.
 
Yes drying it down to a resin mrwiggle

Thanks Jamie. One question though. Wont the water content in the iso/ethanol or even the ethanol itself dissolve the Na2CO3 again, contaminating the product?

What if I use light mineral oil instead of isopropyl alcohol, dissolve the fb in that, then use acetic acid to the pull it back out like an A/B? (I know I said no A/B but hey, looks like I need to make some compromises)

Heres my thoughts. Any tips?

Washing soda paste w/ mimosa, add oil into pot. Heat over a period of an hr or two, adding water to maintain the paste.

Siphon oil, add acetic acid to oil, evaporate water + acetic acid?

Will this work for harmalas too? Maybe I'll just manske. Can you manske w/ Na2CO3?

Edit: Oh and would I need to convert the DMT acetate to freebase in order to smoke it?
 
I use 99% iso, and no the sodium carb will drop out as sediments and you can filter. I never used mineral oil so I cant comment on that.

Yes you can evaporate acetates to freebase.
 
What about putting some powdered mimosa and Caapi bark in Alcohol and letting it seep for some weeks, shaking, then evap onto leaves of choice according to above process. Is the alkali step necessary?... Repeat 3 times in total. Evap then -----k! ?
 
Aliendreamtime, I've had a similiar idea in my head for awhile now.


My plan has been to soak mimosa and rue in ethanol, but I would base the mimosa resin. The alkali step is easy enough, why not. I have already made changa with hygroscopic spice and rue goo, infused unto mulliien and it worked goood. Slightly gooier than I prefer....and what we're talking about here will surely be worse. I'd just like to know if it's at all possible.

Thanks for the knowledge jamie. Sounds like a lot of work for such messy material, but it's very cool to know you can breakthrough with it. Personally, when I get a chance I'll try both of these methods....knowing that I can use more traditional a/b methods to rescue the mess afterwards.
 
christian said:
What about putting some powdered mimosa and Caapi bark in Alcohol and letting it seep for some weeks, shaking, then evap onto leaves of choice according to above process. Is the alkali step necessary?... Repeat 3 times in total. Evap then -----k! ?
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No that will not work. The tek I outlined above is what you want to do. When I first got into DMT maybe 5 years ago that was what I was doing at first. I tried a bunch of methods in attempt to get something decent to smoke in changa that required no np solvents, lye etc..and that was what worked best.

If you just soak in alcohol and that is it you will get something that you wonmt want to smoke. There will be so much tannins and other plant stuff still left in it that its hard to smoke enough for a decent effect.

Brewing a tea with vinegar water and then evapping that down to a dry resin, and then pulling that with alcohol(once based) for whatever reason seems to clean up a lot of that gunk. You are going to still have a dark red stuff that is waxy like the consistancy of a crayon and can be sticky..but still potent.

Base it..dont cut corners here. Sodium carb is so easy to get..even the natives freebase their virola and yopo for snuffing and smoking. I dont see any reason to smoke salts when you can freebase the stuff.

If you just soak caapi and mimosa in alcohol it is a waste of mimosa.
 
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