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tobecomeone00

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Hey guys, I'm writing this because of the need for awareness of very real possibilities of exchanging energies with people while under the influence of Dmt. I'm sure lots of you practice caution, I just figured the topic could use a resurrection for today...

A couple of days ago, a fellow psychonaut came over to my house, and brought a friend who had never journeyed. Both smart and good people. I was going to give this kid the experience, only for the fact that the cirumstances were very peculiar/meant to be ish. I won't go into detail with that. I talked to the guy for roughly an hour, and was surprised to hear he was pretty well-versed in spiritual thought. This definitely alleiviated a bit of my anxiety, and I decided to proceed. The session went woderful, the guy came out in tears and admitted it was nothing close to what he expected. He claimed to have been "cleaned and re-born"! And this is wonderful and all, if only I would have considered where all that dirt and negtivity would end up....this is where things get strange....:evil:

The next day, I proceeded to journey. I felt the "Call", beckoning me from the corners of my mind, the invisible wanting to merge with the material, and I accepted....I set up my usual ritual spot, had everything except some smudging sage (wish i would've had some), so I blessed the room with lemongrass inscence...Not sure if this works, but it was all that I had up my sleeve as far as herbal allies, unless you consider copious amounts of marijuana...8) ...Well, upon exhalation, the beginning of this journey was soaked in amazingly good thoughts, I was even surprised at how blissful it was...I could feel myself rising into hyperspace, it was JUST like falling into the arms of a loved one, and allowing them to decide for you...Well, as soon as I opened my eyes in hyperspace, I was met with a twistingly decayed landscape, the whole 'dmt-room' was riddled with muddled negative energies...If only I could explain in writing the magnitude of surprise and disappointment I experienced upon seeing this...

Literally out of nowhere, I felt something take control of my body, straight up possessing me, forcing me to stand up in MID FREEBASS TRANCE...It seemed to grab me from the inside of my throat, squeezing so tightly, it dragged me across the room, dragged me outside and threw me down into a chair...HOLY SHIT...I sat for a couple of minutes in complete shock and awe, not understanding what the f*** just happened...I could barely swallow, the area where my throat had been grabbed was swollen and I could feel something trapped in my throat, something foul....I looked past the sliding glass door, back into my room, and saw what I could only explain as evil energy...dark stuff, man...The color was of most significance, almost like black/red/yellow sands mashed together..It was no color I've ever seen, but it gave of the vibes of violence and hostility...These beings of dark information, I could see them inside my room, coiling like snakes that have, or are preparing to strike..Dancing back and forth, beckoning, challenging....

Within a few moments of sitting outside and coming back to baseline, I realized where these things had come from...After giving this kid the healing experience of Dmt, the parasites were stripped from their host, and they were PISSED...it'd be like someone you don't even know, coming and kicking you out of your pad...Hell, I'd be pissed too, but these things were hideous..It was obvious they only exist for their own purpose, and out of fear that they may continue their bodily possession, I amazingly decided to dose again and confront them. (I am normally vehemently against double-dosing within the same hour, but something felt different this time).
I took another cloud of Dmt smoke, and fell back into the trance...within this trance, I could see the entities from the out of the corners of my eyes, and upon seeing them, I realized I had NO PLAN...F*** me, I hadn't even thought of what I was actually going to do when confronted with these things...So, in the heat of the hyperspace moment, I did the only thing I could think of (As John lennon said, "say the word, and you will be free") I began to say the word "LOVE" over and over and over again...At first I wondered how the hell this word was going to deviate the entity's intentions, but I continued nonetheless, and things got even stranger than before...

As I kept saying love love love, I noticed the colors of energy in my room were drastically changing from cloudy shit green to a pinkish/blue hue, almost like a cotton candy jellyfish, right before my eyes, starting from the sounds coming from deep in my throat (that's what she said)...I kept speaking, and before I knew it, I was not even saying the word love anymore, but making sounds and breathing out breaths laced with INTENTION OF LOVE...This happened without even thinking of it, but as it happened, it just MADE SENSE...I wonder if this is along the lines of what nexus members mean by "speaking in tongues"...if so, that's awesome...I continued until the room was empty and a pure blue/white...I proceeded to come back to baseline, successfully exorcised, and about to have a fantastic day.

The reason I posted this report, is because I am 99% sure these energies/dark entities came from the newbie I dosed with Dmt...Always be aware, yes you are cleaning someone of the toxins that have built up over a lifetime, and yes this is one of the most noble acts that can be performed in my opinion, but how the hell can you know what these people carry under their skin? Shaking these energies out of a person is like shaking a snake out of its den...Risky and very possibly dangerous. I was literally bodily-possessed and semi-strangled by these things (it was very reminiscent to a sleep-paralysis episode I had when I was withdrawing from methadone and crack about 4 yrs ago). It is the first time I have been assaulted by an entity while on DMT..

So to cap this post off, Always smudge! Always Bless your area of ritual! Be prepared for anything! Yes, all is Love, but Love is Evil too. To deny the evil in ourselves is as much of a 'sin' as denying out eternal nature of being. This evil must be respected, but kept at a distance. These evil energies go into our daily stew just as the love energies too. The perfect balance is what we seek. Thanks for reading, and take care! :d
 
I realized I had NO PLAN...F*** me, I hadn't even thought of what I was actually going to do when confronted with these things...

Sorry but I got a good chuckle out of this part. :)

Personally I would try to not apply to much in the way of 'ultimate' meaning to these sorts of experiences. While I also view DMT as a spiritual experience there is also another argument that can be made here. You started focusing on LOVE and your brain expanded that and multiplied that. As for the initial negative energy...well do you know exactly what was in your subconscious mind at the time?

DMT is a strange beast to say the least. It could very well be that your impression is spot on, but it could just as easily be that another explanation is in order. That is one of the unfortunate realities of the psychonautical explorer. We will never be able to "prove" in a scientific sense our thoughts about these experiences.

I think the advice most will give you is to be mindful of what you saw, but only put as much weight/emphasis on it as makes sense for your personal life circumstances.

Maybe talk to the person you gave the hit to and find out if he feels as though the energy has been expunged from him.
 
tobecomeone00 said:
...The reason I posted this report, is because I am 99% sure these energies/dark entities came from the newbie I dosed with Dmt...
A very interesting report. I’m glad that everything worked out well in the end.

I’m curious about why you are 99% convinced that the negative “energy” came from your new initiate? There are many ways to interpret these experiences, and it’s interesting that you have chosen to interpret them in a way that effectively puts all of the “blame” for the negative energy you experienced (and it was your experience) on someone other than yourself.
 
Wow, I appreciate all the wonderful comments, but can't help but wonder why some of you guys are so intent on proposing your own interpretations...It was just an experience, I was not really asking anyone a question. I was there, I experienced it, and I know what was what. as far as poking holes in my conclusion, I don't feel too much love in that right now. I know some of you guys really pride yourself on your knowledge, but to say mine is flawed or possibly flawed, and that I'm blaming others for my own shit, why does it even matter? Thanks for the interesting thoughts, but I can see you guys are just as clueless as I am about it, so no worries. Much love, everyone.
 
Fascinating. Both I and my girlfriend have seen these dark beings too. Once, while on acid, me and my girl saw one such entity come through the window.
It was as if it's shape was formed by densely packed together, black smog/vapor. It had the shape of a tall, musculair man with the Horns of a Bull or rather an Ox.
It strongly emanated Hatred and Malice; as if it wanted to do nothing but harm, twist and destroy.

Another day my girlfriend dreamt of waking up in bed next to me. A similair dark, sinister creature crawled towards us across the ceiling. As it did she heard masses of people screaming as if being tortured and in fear and pain. When she looked over at me she saw my face decaying, my skin burning and weathering away. Then she really woke up. Gnarley isn't it?

It's amazing how much this Darkness correlates with the archetype of the Aztec god Tezcatlipoca, whereas the light encountered in divinatory experiences correlate strongly with descriptions of the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl.
 
Wow, that was brutal to say the least. I say trust your feelings on this one, you know what happened.

Part of what you said about the jellyfish hit a spot in my mind and reminded of something I read a couple years ago on erowid. Here's the report: Ayahuasca - Erowid Exp - 'Biosonic Jellyfish' , But I will copy out the part that I'm reminded of:

"I saw it leave his mouth (with my eyes still closed and not facing him) and pass over me, changing the dissonant vibration of my paranoia into a more harmonic structure. I then saw the presence as an energetic, biosonic jellyfish, hovering above me. It reminded me of the sentinels in 'The Matrix' It was translucent pastel pinks, purples, and blues. Its bell shaped structure was completely made of interlocking eyes, similar to an Alex Grey painting but they were in a constant shifting motion. "

These seem to be healing dmt-jellyfish, very cool if you ask me.
 
tobecomeone00 said:
Wow, I appreciate all the wonderful comments, but can't help but wonder why some of you guys are so intent on proposing your own interpretations...It was just an experience, I was not really asking anyone a question. I was there, I experienced it, and I know what was what. as far as poking holes in my conclusion, I don't feel too much love in that right now. I know some of you guys really pride yourself on your knowledge, but to say mine is flawed or possibly flawed, and that I'm blaming others for my own shit, why does it even matter? Thanks for the interesting thoughts, but I can see you guys are just as clueless as I am about it, so no worries. Much love, everyone.
First you say you’re 99% sure of what happened, and then you say that you are as clueless as we are. And how loving is it to accuse your DMT novice of harboring evil like “snakes in a den”? You seem concerned about your own feelings, but how do you think your novice would feel if you told him “I just had an awful encounter with some very evil entities, and I’m 99% sure they came from you”?

All I’m asking is that you consider the possibility that what you experienced was your experience, and not the result of someone else’s “evil energy”. Consider taking ownership of your experiences. Is it so hard to imagine that the experience you had emerged from your own mind?
 
Shrabbit420 said:
Wow, that was brutal to say the least. I say trust your feelings on this one, you know what happened.

Part of what you said about the jellyfish hit a spot in my mind and reminded of something I read a couple years ago on erowid. Here's the report: Ayahuasca - Erowid Exp - 'Biosonic Jellyfish' , But I will copy out the part that I'm reminded of:

"I saw it leave his mouth (with my eyes still closed and not facing him) and pass over me, changing the dissonant vibration of my paranoia into a more harmonic structure. I then saw the presence as an energetic, biosonic jellyfish, hovering above me. It reminded me of the sentinels in 'The Matrix' It was translucent pastel pinks, purples, and blues. Its bell shaped structure was completely made of interlocking eyes, similar to an Alex Grey painting but they were in a constant shifting motion. "

These seem to be healing dmt-jellyfish, very cool if you ask me.

I was with a girl smoking salvia once and she described seeing a purple octopus swirling around her.
 
Gibran has a good point. When we are confronted with our own Evil/Nastyness/Impurities our Egos typically keeps us from facing and dissolving it, by throwing up a barrier of shame: "Such disgusting, malicious energies couldn't have possibly come from me?" It sees the evil as something to blame and therefor loves to shift the blame by telling oneself that these must have come from someone else.

When I was first confronted with these dark energies in my house, I was quick to attribute the darkness to my house ( which was built in 1904) or to others comming into my house.
Soon however I found it more reasonable to believe that these dark energies had been reflections of my own impurities of Anger, Grief, Paranoya and Disgust within myself.
The dark being was a reflection of my own impurities, a phantom that I unconsciously gave shape with my own Fears, Hatred, Grievances and other Spiritual dirt.

Ever considered that, tobecomeone00?
 
Yes, I've considered it, and I've dealt with my own energy before as opposed to others...totally different arenas of consciousness...I know you guys like the whole "its all me, everything is god which is me" shtick, but consciousness is GREAT, and if it wants to SEPARATE from you, it CAN...lol, you guys have read one post of mine, and are so sure that I blame others for my own pain/evil? I was a homeless fucking bum IV heroin addict for 6 years, and I pulled my shit and my life together...I AM VERY AWARE OF INNER AS WELL AS EXTERIOR EVIL...You're gonna tell me when I saw a dude get shot in the face, that it was MY fault, or resulted from my thoughts because I experienced it within MY CONSCIOUSNESS? Ridiculous...I spoke to the initiate, and he's been a regular coke user/gang member for a while, so there ya go....but yah Ska and Gibran, I'm really glad you guys are so intent on figuring it out. Let me know when you do. But for future consideration, why not say something kind next time instead of poking holes? I don't care who you think you are, or how much you think you know, I don't care. Just be nice.

And shrabbit, dude, that quote explains it in perfect detail...
 
Ans Ska, perhaps these beings FED on your angers, grief, paranoia, which in turn made them stronger...I am sorry, but I have experienced way too much LIFE to attribute everything to my own state of being...Yes, perhaps under the influence of DMT, it is questionable just for the sheer fact that you're on a substance that removes you from ordinary reality...and yes, maybe in these spritual realms, everything is a reflection of our own flawed interface, but we're on EARTH BUD....we're in the 3rd dimension, and evil can walk freely where it wants, this I've seen while completely free of any subtsance, completely drug free...I first saw a shadow person when I was 9 years old, way before I even smoked cigs..there a so many factors that go into a single person's waking day, deciding what mood, what vibe to take on, and then matching that mood to 5-20 different other people's moods each and every day, are you telling me negativity can not be passed on, just as positivity could? So Gibran, to give you your due, YES, they could have been my own feelings, but ONLY because I was the new host for a moment...I am still 99% sure, but am glad you made me question myself. Now I'm done. =)
 
Why post your experience on a public forum if you're so intolerant of feedback? Were you just looking for pats on the back to validate your ideas?

If I come in here and tell everyone that they should no longer eat breakfast cereal because I was just raped by Snap, Crackle & Pop while smoking spice, I'm going to need to expect some dissenting opinions. Likewise, you and your spooky hoodoo.

Ease up on the attitude or take some time to think it over in the nursery.
 
I never told anyone to not do DMT because of my experience, I just advised caution in administering it to new people...did you even read what I wrote? Wow, and are you seriously talking about suspending my account or something like that? BY NO MEANS was I rude, or out of hand whatsoever. I voiced my opinions just as loudly as anyone else would, it was an experience REPORT, posted for basic information, not for "DISSECTION"...Art, go ahead and RE-READ my posts, instead of skim them, then let me know what you think...if you still think I have an attitude, then make it a point NOT TO POST ON MY THREADS..I am WELL within my rights regarding health & safety + attitude...So, if you want to continue threatening me with suspension, I will take it up with the Traveler/Endlessness/or one of the other Mods and see what they think. Everyone has a right to defend themselves, and their opinions, and I refuse to be stepped on by your snide remarks. Nothing I have done or said is exhibits violence or aggression. Don't like what I write? DOn't reply. So simple....
 
FROM THE ATTITUDE SECTION OF THE DMT NEXUS:

"We understand that members have a variety of experiences and opinions because the universe is infinite—and no one can really carve a piece off for himself and declare it the “only truth.”

I rest my case. Thank you, Nexus!
 
tobecomeone00 said:
...are you telling me negativity can not be passed on, just as positivity could? So Gibran, to give you your due, YES, they could have been my own feelings, but ONLY because I was the new host for a moment...I am still 99% sure, but am glad you made me question myself. Now I'm done. =)
As I see it, you had a bad experience and you’re blaming it on the evil residing in your friend. When you have good experiences, do you give others credit for making them positive?

I’m just trying to look at this situation from a different point of view – from the point of view of your DMT novice friend. You didn’t provide very much information about him, and you didn’t indicate if you shared your ideas with him, but here’s an imaginary scenario I’d like you to consider:

>>>>
You’ve heard about DMT but have never tried it. A “friend” offers to guide you through your first experience. You have your first experience and it turns out very nice. You’re happy, amazed, and content.

Next, your more experienced friend takes some DMT. You watch as he obviously struggles with a difficult experience. When his experience ends, you ask him how it went, and he tells you it was filled with evil beings. “Evil beings?”, you ask. He goes on to tell you that you were filled with evil, and that your DMT experience drove out the evil beings. But these evil beings just don’t disappear – they entered into him! His bad experience was due to the evil within you!
>>>>

How would you feel about this? How would you feel if a friend of yours had a bad DMT experience and then told you it was bad because of evil in you?


I try hard to take responsibility for my feelings. I agree that when we are immersed in a negative environment, it’s very easy to succumb and become negative ourselves, but even then it’s a choice we make. I don’t blame others for my subjective state of mind.
 
Hey becomeone

Looks like some of those leftover negative vibes have made their way into this post.

Are you going to continue to deny them?

lol just food for thought
 
Gibran, my saying this regarding the initiate, did not bother him one bit...I've talked to him about 5 times since the journey, and he actually admitted the healing could have done this, and I am satisfied with this answer. Whether they came from him or wherever, it doesn't matter. That '99% sure' comment was roughly 2% of the report, why would you zero in on this, other than an attempt to either put me down, or show your knowledge off?...and the latter does not bother me whatsoever, just so long as the prior is absent. I am more than down to hear your explanation or opinions, as long as they are presented kindly. I'm not trying to be mean man, I just wonder how you can be so insistent on something you did not even experience?!?! Who's to say I haven't already considered it a reflection of my state of being? Honestly, that's my default explanation of anything I can't explain while under DMT...It's usually after a few moments of thinking under the influence, to realize why my consciousness had led me to this point, and its always for different reasons. I'm not 100% right, not even close to 1%. Just expressing what I felt/heard/saw. I totally respect your position, as well as your opinion, but I'm done arguing about it, That's not why I come here, so let's just agree to disagree on something that can never really be proven, yes? This does not mean we cannot discuss other issues in other threads as nexus members, let's just leave this topic for others to reflect on. Thanks man.

Harmalosa: funny man, I was actually going to write that EXACT statement, then I saw your post...lol...I agree, this in itself has been a small test, and we all carry on. =)
 
You know, Gibran, I was thinking...99% WAS a bit extreme, what I should have said is that I was pretty sure...I never meant to start anything negative, when I read your post, it made me feel stupid and a bit attacked, and instead of admitting I was wrong, I wanted to fight it...you are right, there are great possibilites that these things could have been from anywhere, including myself. I just wanted to write something that could help people, and make them laugh, not for it to turn into the ugly thing that it has...thanks for the comments man, I'll be sure to watch what I write as far as specifics go in the future...
 
Sorry if somehow I came across judgemental or discrediting; I didn't intend to at all. I just wanted to share a view I recently considered.

Indeed the Negativity in your friend could have triggered and fed the negativity in you, becomeone. It is what "the evil" does so it is most logical.
But once someone's Negativity enters you and starts resonating in you, it has become YOUR negativity.
Not in terms of guilt or blame; but simply because this Negativity is now in You, You are responsible for it; Only you can heal it.

If we say "It didn't come from me" it is our Ignorance trying to escape responsibility for confronting dissolving it.
That is exactly what this Evil wants; For you to look the other way, so it can grow in the shadows; the absence of your light of awareness.
This is nothing to be ashamed or affraid of for it is a condition each and every one of us suffer from.

Indeed it is wise to associate more with positively charged people when you find that you're so susceptible for Negative vibes.
I too am very susceptible for Negativity in others which is why I pick my friends very carefully.

But once Negative energy DOES leap over from someone else into you, it doesn't really matter where it came from and how it came to be.
What matters is that it is now YOUR Negativity and YOURS to dissolve;
And from what you've told about your Love Mantra you're perfectly able to do that.

The Evil cannot stand Love and the Light of our awareness; You gave it just that and it dissolved just like that.
The evil keeps trying to come back and pull us under, but we will keep bringing it into the love and light of our awareness and dissolve it.
If we practice to do this naturally, just like we breathe, the Evil will be dissolved so frequently and continuously it will never again be able to take any solid form.
 
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