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Legal precedence for using SWIM?
- Thread starter 11:11
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Good point. Bump.
DarkShaman
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ohayoco said:
Ditto. Although if one were truly concerned about the likelihood of this happening (which, might I add, is less than slim to none) one might consider changing/rotating their ip address, or even setting up an Ip hider. My grapevine speaks of something of this nature that is called peer guardian.
on that note as well... one does not hear of many people getting into any legal problems doing these things in general...
there was a guy in new jersy with a pound of DMT, and there was a bust many years ago in SF where they were making all kinds of stuff including extracting from viridis... but one rarely actually hears of any one getting busted for doing any of this...
there was a guy in new jersy with a pound of DMT, and there was a bust many years ago in SF where they were making all kinds of stuff including extracting from viridis... but one rarely actually hears of any one getting busted for doing any of this...
Please, what are you talking about? Nobody is dumb enough to cover their criminal activities by using Swim. SWIM ist just an abr. for "Someone who isn't me". I surely don't know every source I get my information from personaly and even if I would :Why should I post their realnames on public internet forums? Who cares?
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i think you're all missing the point of SWIM. Only a noob assumes, that it got to do with masking your own questionable activities..LOL...but it's a good one, everytime it comes up. So thanks for the laughter.
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i think you're all missing the point of SWIM. Only a noob assumes, that it got to do with masking your own questionable activities..LOL...but it's a good one, everytime it comes up. So thanks for the laughter.
obliguhl said:
For sure,. The only legal reason to use SWIM would be so as to not mistakenly represent a fictional character who may or may not perpetrate illegal activities as someone who is real. I'd be pretty upset if someone on this board accidentally gave their fictional character a name that was also mine. And of course, representing one's character in first person could also damage one's reputation and inspire undue legal suspicions if taken out of the context of its fictional nature.
Haha I just re-read the original post, I must've skimmed the second line and got the wrong idea.
I accidentally assumed that the OP was describing this hypotetical situation, which is a very interesting question:
Has anyone ever come on sites like this, and instead of actually talking about SWIM, they were in reality the ones doing all that stuff? I know it sounds crazy, but let's just imagine someone did that (there are enough nutters on the internet). Then maybe they got raided, but there was no evidence other than their ramblings on the internet and some legal plants in their home? And so they pretended that it was SWIM doing it and not them as their defence? If such a legal ploy has ever been used in this way, what was the verdict?
I accidentally assumed that the OP was describing this hypotetical situation, which is a very interesting question:
Has anyone ever come on sites like this, and instead of actually talking about SWIM, they were in reality the ones doing all that stuff? I know it sounds crazy, but let's just imagine someone did that (there are enough nutters on the internet). Then maybe they got raided, but there was no evidence other than their ramblings on the internet and some legal plants in their home? And so they pretended that it was SWIM doing it and not them as their defence? If such a legal ploy has ever been used in this way, what was the verdict?
11:11
Rising Star
Hey right on, I guess I'm a total noob then, thanks guys.
I know what SWIM stands for I just think that's it's ridiculous that people still use it as it obviously isn't hiding anyone from anything. All the talk of fictional characters and 'some guy I met on the internet who told me a story about his goldfish who extracted some DMT....etc' is entirely pointless and reading it everytime gets to be a bit of a drag. If the DEA is watching someone on this board, SWIM isn't going to help you in court. I was simply wondering if anyone has any cases that they know of where people self incriminated themselves on the internet and had been charged.
I know what SWIM stands for I just think that's it's ridiculous that people still use it as it obviously isn't hiding anyone from anything. All the talk of fictional characters and 'some guy I met on the internet who told me a story about his goldfish who extracted some DMT....etc' is entirely pointless and reading it everytime gets to be a bit of a drag. If the DEA is watching someone on this board, SWIM isn't going to help you in court. I was simply wondering if anyone has any cases that they know of where people self incriminated themselves on the internet and had been charged.
Yes, it's stupid. You shouldn't use SWIM inappropriatly. Boy I wish I could extract and smoke DMT but Im just to shy and fearful of the law. Hearing SWIMS storys drowns me in envy everytime, but its like being virgin at 40: If you can't fuck, just rub it.
69ron
Rising Star
11:11 said:
Well, if YOU did what you wrote about SWIM doing, then no it will not help you at all because you broke the law. The law is the law. But if you never did anything illegal, like ME, but you wrote about others doing such things, then there is nothing at all self incriminating about what you write because you are not writing about yourself. You are writing about a fictional character. That's the difference.
Look, yesterday SWIM went to Jupiter and ate cheese with the aliens there. Ok, so SWIM does some wild things, that I'm not sure are even possible.
So judge, look here, SWIM went to Jupiter, there it is in writing. It must be true. It's in writing and on the internet. So SWIM must be guilty of leaving planet earth because it's documented on the internet.
Is he telling the truth? Did SWIM go to Jupiter? I don't know. I wasn't there.
Come on. Please, fiction is fiction. You cannot get in trouble with the law for something a fictional character did in a story you wrote. That's nonsense.
If you were doing illegal things and using SWIM to cover it up and it was found that you actually were doing illegal things, that's a totally different ball game. Then of course they can use your fictional character in court because they found it to be actually you. But if you never did anything you wrote about SWIM doing, then it means nothing at all.
Look, SWIM just moved the entire universe to the left by 1 inch. Did you feel it? But maybe you'll never notice it because everything moved one inch at the same time. SWIM is guilty of moving the universe because I wrote about him doing it...what nonsense.
If you believe you can get into trouble with the law by writing about fictional things, then why aren't all the murder mystery writers in jail for committing murder? Huh?
smokeydaze
Dragunov Mylshka Teapot
I don't get it.
I think SWIM serves no purpose.
I think SWIM serves no purpose.
69ron
Rising Star
NARCs would love people to start self incriminating themselves all over the place. What a field day they would have.
In the USA you can't get into legal trouble by writing a fictional story. It doesn't work like that in the USA.
Now if the story was fictional and you wrote it in first person and talked about all sorts of illegal activities, then you could get yourself in a whole heap of legal trouble. Try telling a judge that you wrote this statement in a forum and you didn't actually mean you did it
Now try telling a judge that you wrote this in a forum and you didn’t actually mean it was about something you did
That sound’s believable to me.
In the first case, it's obviously a confession of illegal activity. In the second case, it's open to interpretation, but more likely it's just a story you wrote about someone else doing something illegal. Newspapers are filled with all sorts of stories about other people doing illegal things. That doesn't get news paper columnists arrested.
If I write about something someone else did, why should that indicate anything other than what I wrote? If I say JO did it, then I meant JO did it. If I say SWIM did it, then I mean SWIM did it. If I say the president did it, then I mean the president did it. If I say I did it then I mean I did it. It's as clear as can be.
I am no different that a news paper columnist who writes about things other people did. Some of which is entirely fictional.
In the USA you can't get into legal trouble by writing a fictional story. It doesn't work like that in the USA.
Now if the story was fictional and you wrote it in first person and talked about all sorts of illegal activities, then you could get yourself in a whole heap of legal trouble. Try telling a judge that you wrote this statement in a forum and you didn't actually mean you did it
The judge isn’t going to believe that.
Now try telling a judge that you wrote this in a forum and you didn’t actually mean it was about something you did
That sound’s believable to me.
In the first case, it's obviously a confession of illegal activity. In the second case, it's open to interpretation, but more likely it's just a story you wrote about someone else doing something illegal. Newspapers are filled with all sorts of stories about other people doing illegal things. That doesn't get news paper columnists arrested.
If I write about something someone else did, why should that indicate anything other than what I wrote? If I say JO did it, then I meant JO did it. If I say SWIM did it, then I mean SWIM did it. If I say the president did it, then I mean the president did it. If I say I did it then I mean I did it. It's as clear as can be.
I am no different that a news paper columnist who writes about things other people did. Some of which is entirely fictional.