life issues

[entheogenic-gnosis]

I've been a victim of malicious slander recently, and this stuff is everywhere, there's a group of people, and I don't even know these kids names, yet they follow me around, they know where I live, everything, total stalkers...This is in real life, not online. Well they are online too, but that's not what I'm talking about...

This same group of people also spreads as many malicious rumours about me that they can, they make fake Facebook pages in my name, they try to do anything terrible thing you can do to ruin a person's name and reputation...

They know I don't hang out with anybody but an old shaman, my family and a few researchers, so I'm all alone in defending myself, nobody has my back and they take full advantage of it...This is why they won't confront me directly, because I'll defend myself, I'll prove they are lying about everything, and that they convinced a group of people to turn on me simply because "they don't like me" and not for any real reason, as they try to claim.

I'm a person who enjoys solitude, I enjoy being alone, my only friends are my family, a shaman, his son, and a few researchers, and this is the way I like it, I'm surrounded by good people, that I know are good people...


So why would these people do this to me? Aside from connections to a vindictive and angry ex-girlfriend of mine and all her friends? It all comes down to personal and petty reasons between me and a few jealous and immature individuals, I've never done anything to anyone...

but these individuals will tell anybody anything that they can to turn others against me...
(I always wonder, would these people feel bad if they found out the truth? I doubt it, if you would go after a person you don't know just based off of people slanderizing that person, you probably don't have much of a conscience any way...)

What lies behind this tendency to put others down? One of my teachers, Geshe Ngawang Dhargye, used to say, "You get together with a friend and talk about the faults of this person and the misdeeds of that one. Then you go on to discuss others’ mistakes and negative qualities. In the end, the two of you feel good because you’ve agreed you’re the two best people in the world."

When I look inside, I have to acknowledge he’s right. Fueled by insecurity, I mistakenly think that if others are wrong, bad, or fault-ridden, then in comparison I must be right, good, and capable. Does the strategy of putting others down to build up my own self-esteem work? Hardly.

Another situation in which we speak about others’ faults is when we’re angry with them. Here we may talk about their faults for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it’s to win other people over to our side. "If I tell these other people about the argument Bob and I had and convince them that he is wrong and I’m right before Bob can tell them about the argument, then they’ll side with me." Underlying that is the thought, "If others think I’m right, then I must be." It’s a weak attempt to convince ourselves we’re okay when we haven’t spent the time honestly evaluating our own motivations and actions.

At other times, we may talk about others’ faults because we’re jealous of them. We want to be respected and appreciated as much as they are. In the back of our minds, there’s the thought, "If others see the bad qualities of the people I think are better than me, then instead of honoring and helping them, they’ll praise and assist me." Or we think, "If the boss thinks that person is unqualified, she’ll promote me instead." Does this strategy win others’ respect and appreciation? Hardly.

Some people "psychoanalyze" others, using their half-baked knowledge of pop psychology to put someone down. Comments such as "he’s borderline" or "she’s paranoid" make it sound as if we have authoritative insight into someone’s internal workings, when in reality we disdain their faults because our ego was affronted. Casually psychoanalyzing others can be especially harmful, for it may unfairly cause a third party to be biased or suspicious.
Speaking of the faults of others - Thubten Chodron

Again, keep in mind, 90% of these people who are acting against me don't even know me, they only know what others have said about me, and none of it is true, not a single word.


And it's all passive aggression with these people, not a single person will directly confront me, because they know if they did I.would be able to.prove that they were lying, and then all the people they worked so hard at turning against would realize how terrible they have been to an innocent person...

I mean these kids don't like me, but it's over nothing, it's over their misperceptions, they don't like they way I dress, or my spirituality, or that I know more about certain things than they do...

The deal is, I don't even care about these people, I don't even know who they are, aside from the few main people, I don't want anything to do.with these people...

Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 3

O Partha, give up this unmanliness. It does not befit you. O chastiser of enemies, get up and do not yield to this petty weakness of heart.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 4

Arjuna replied: How can I counterattack such persons as Bhishma and Drona in battle, firing arrows at those who are worthy of my respect, O Madhusudana?
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 5

It is better to live in this world by begging than killing our respectable superiors. Otherwise, the wealth and property that we enjoy here in this world will be tainted with their blood.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 6

I do not know what is better for us – to conquer them or be conquered by them. If we slay the sons of Dhritarashtra who are assembled here before us, I have no desire to live.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 7

My natural propensity as a warrior is weakening and I am bewildered as to what is righteousness. Kindly tell me what is most beneficial for me. I am your disciple, surrendered unto You. Please instruct me.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 8

Even if I gain a substantial kingdom beyond compare and the power of the demigods, I see nothing that can remove this grief that is eroding my senses.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 9

Sanjaya said: Having thus addressed Shri Krishna, the vigilant conqueror of enemies Arjuna declared, “O Krishna, O Govinda, I will not fight!” and became silent.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 10

Descendent of Bharata, there, between the two armies, Shri Krishna (Hrishikesha) smiled and spoke the following words to the grief-stricken Arjuna.

Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 11

Bhagavan Shri Krishna said: While speaking like a wise man, you are actually grieving for that which is unworthy of grief. The wise neither lament for the living nor the dead.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 12

There was never a time that you, nor I, nor all these warriors assembled here did not exist. Nor shall we ever cease to exist in the future.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 13

As the atma passes through the bodily transformations of childhood, youth and old age, it similarly transmigrates from one body to another at the time of death. The wise are never deluded by this transition.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 14

O son of Kunti, the interaction between the senses and the sense-objects produce the sensations of cold, heat, pleasure and pain. These feelings are temporary, always appearing and then disappearing. Thus, O descendent of Bharata, you must learn to tolerate them.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 15

O most virtuous one, a sober man who is equipoised in both pleasure and pain and remains undisturbed is certainly qualified for liberation.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 16

Of that which is temporary there is no eternal existence. Of that which is eternal there is no destruction or change. Seers of the truth have realized the constitutional position of both.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 17

Know for certain that individual consciousness, which pervades the whole body, is imperishable. Nobody can destroy the indestructible individual unit of consciousness.
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Bhagavad Gita - Chapter 2 - Verse 18

Embodied consciousness is eternal, imperishable and infinite. Only the material body is perishable. Therefore O Arjuna, fight!

I feel like arjuna, I've been unjustly victimized, some of the key victimizers are people I've known, I don't want conflict, I want to be left alone in peace, but these people will find every way they can to find and harass me, they will not leave me alone no matter what I do...

I've tried spiritually correct paths, and still have no resolution....

Buddhism says ignore it, it's ego that makes you want to fight, the gita in chapter two says fight, but says be passive in other chapters...

I've been at an impasse on how to handle this....

If negative forces are u.justly victimizing you, and you can't escape it no matter how hard you try to ignore them, or not be around them, etc...what do you do?

What is the spiritually correct action?

-eg

 

[Cognitive Heart]

Isn't this exactly what these people want? For you to be concerned for your own well-being for their sake of whatever 'entertainment' this is? In other words, to get inside your head and spin you around like a MIAC. You're not a monkey in a cage. And they seem to be poking at you and staying out of sight right as you swing yourself around, no? If I were you, I'd leave spirituality aside temporarily and focus on confronting these people yourself or simply move on with your own values. Just drop it. Only you hold the truth. Spirit will do as it must within one's own life circumstances, naturally.

Most importantly, trust yourself. Know that you have the upper hand in terms of maturity. Not in the ego-sense. But in the sense of spirit and wholeness. Realize their activity is many levels down from where you stand. And if you do end up confronting them, they may see how powerful you really are. Take it seriously, directly, and walk away. Who knows. You may arrive at the realization of how strong you really are. Which may end up altering their lives for the greater instead of bothering others unnecessarily.

I hope all is well soon and that this advice helps you allow the way. Whether you do confront them or not, stay safe and protected, in peace.

 

[inaniel]

very strange to see a group of people over the age of fifteen act in this manner. sorry you're going through this, e-g, you're a good person regardless what they say.

 

[pitubo]

Enthogenic-gnosis, you have my heartfelt sympathy in your difficult circumstances.

Unfortunately nobody on the forum can give you much practical help, which is what you really need. I strongly advise you to seek practical help and support for you as a person in the first place. Dealing with the situation and the people harassing you should follow from that.

Don't go at it alone, you're setting yourself up for more aggravated problems if you try that. Tell your family and friends about your predicament and ask for their help and accept any help they can give. Also try to contact a social worker for personal support and for help in dealing with these other people.

Don't stick your head in the sand, in books or in the forum. You need action now.

What is the spiritually correct action?

Perhaps to reconsider how one's spiritual practice is part of the whole situation?

Perhaps that is a spiritual lesson, you cannot live life alone and on your own terms. Mutuality and compromise are essential parts of human life.

Also, morals and ethics only work in an agreement between parties. If you do not share an agreement about them with others, no amount of ideas and concepts, however noble or pure, will serve as a substitute for real boundaries and real protection.

Take care of yourself.

 

[thymamai]

What an extremely well thought out and mature response^. Not sure there's anything further to add.

 

[anon_003]

I would add that maybe there is probably a reason they are attacking you. Sometimes, people are so great that they draw jealousy from others, which manifests in the slander you describe.

Listen, man. Anybody who is willing to listen to you is most likely going to realize the slander situation for what it is. The only sorts of people you need in your life are the ones willing to listen to you. Maybe this could be a really cool pruning process set in motion by powers beyond us!

You've got a good heart (so much so that I can tell just by your posts on a forum). Trust that heart. Yeah, the slander is going to hurt your reputation as far as the more general public gooes... but who needs those clowns anywhoo? Keep following your heart and be the best person you can... the right people are going to continue to show up in your life. That I can guarantee.

 

[ijahdan]

Firstly, I know what youre talkng about, been through it all my life, but its the sort of stuff I learnt to deal with in school and still what I have to deal with daily at work. Its basically about people who have seen the bigger picture dealing with those who they think havent.. Ive been surprised and humbled by the realization that some of these people are in fact a lot more aware than I gave them credit for. Not always immeadiately evident.

Growing up in the inner city, I had to get on with all sorts of people and it meant that I had to be a bit cagey about my true beliefs sometimes, and to try and see things from someone elses perspective.

One thing Ive learnt about people is that they hate someone they think feels superior to them, it makes them feel insecure and they end up hating that person. If there are enough like minded people around them the gang mentality surfaces and in some cases a full witch hunt ensues, so be careful.

At the same time, individually, people are just people and a bit of friendly banter goes a long way. Nobody likes to feel looked down upon. Empathy is the key. Find some common ground with some of them and try to connect on their level rather than your own. Appeal individually if you can, no point trying to reason with a whole mob.

Sometimes being too honest and truthful is bad for your health!

Just some thoughts, hope things work out.







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[tseuq]

Ahoi eg,

I got heavily stalked from a woman for almost 3 years. I became part of her love delusional psychosis and on top, a colleague, who is her family doctor and who doesn't know me in real life but has seen me in the climbing gym and somehow know about my profession, even told her private information about me! A big violation of our professional secrecy! In the beginning I feared to go out and meet her and particularly, that the police is coming to my home because of her. My fear was definitely overrated but because I love shrooms and all this stuff, which would costs me my job, I experienced some paranoia.

Don't go at it alone, you're setting yourself up for more aggravated problems if you try that. Tell your family and friends about your predicament and ask for their help and accept any help they can give.

I told my family, friends and also my colleagues. To tell others about my situation was really helpful, because I didn't feel alone with it and my colleagues built like a protection shield around me and stopped her already at the entrance. I also went to the registry office to block my home adress for others.

The only thing you can do is to ignore all what they are doing, all messages and so on. Even if it's hard sometimes, do not spend time to read it, just ignore and delete. Every other reaction will empower their behaviour and provoke more hassels.

When this situation came up, I reminded myself that I am free and I trust myself all the way, regardless of what is happening.

All the best, tseuq

 

[Legarto Rey]

One small suggestion. COMPLETELY avoid "social media"! Drop accounts, don't send/receive/post/view ANY info on these sites, yours or others.

Sounds silly, but it's hard to understate the malicious impact this type of "networking" can have on mental health. Not to mention the total lack of privacy.

Be well and remember the, "mystic state", ergonomically accessible via plant entheogens is still stigmatized/feared by the uninitiated. In a general sense it is likely wise to keep this aspect of one's existence a bit shrouded. Sad, but true.

Peace