VisualDistortion
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Do any retail stores carry limonene? SWIM is leaving his house in life half an hour and would like to pick some up. If not he'll just get some DCM to get the jungle spice tomorrow.
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Limonene at a retail store?
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if they do, it's typically in the form of cleaning solutions. check the labels..any sort of orange cleaner more than likely uses limonene (of course, you'll want something that says "technical grade" limonene, or has primarily limonene and no surfactants/gels)
VisualDistortion
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Because I wanted to pick it up before I go to work so SWIM could finish his extraction before he left town for the weekend and dump out that nasty lye water mixture.
69ron
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I can't believe people use lye at home. That's so dangerous.
SWIM hasn’t used lye in ages.
SWIM just extracted a ton of mescaline using a food grade STB tech he created. He used edible lime (food grade calcium hydroxide) as the base, edible food grade d-limonene as the NP solvent, and edible food grade vinegar as the acid. The yields are fantastic and NON TOXIC! Plus you don’t need to wear special protection because none of the chemicals used are dangerous to handle. You could extract it in the nude if you wanted.
SWIM hasn’t used lye in ages.
SWIM just extracted a ton of mescaline using a food grade STB tech he created. He used edible lime (food grade calcium hydroxide) as the base, edible food grade d-limonene as the NP solvent, and edible food grade vinegar as the acid. The yields are fantastic and NON TOXIC! Plus you don’t need to wear special protection because none of the chemicals used are dangerous to handle. You could extract it in the nude if you wanted.
VisualDistortion
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I already do my extractions in the nude...
lol
hey ron, I understand if you dont like to use it but I dont understand why you think its so absurd that people use lye..
SWIM has never had a problem with caustic soda. He wears gloves, glasses and mask. Nothing can happen unless one is not careful, and SWIM is always careful
hey ron, I understand if you dont like to use it but I dont understand why you think its so absurd that people use lye..
SWIM has never had a problem with caustic soda. He wears gloves, glasses and mask. Nothing can happen unless one is not careful, and SWIM is always careful
ron (or someone he knows) probably burned themselves while handling the stuff.
it's understandable.. swim always handles it as if the same could happen to him. safety glasses (always), and gloves
it's understandable.. swim always handles it as if the same could happen to him. safety glasses (always), and gloves
yes I bet he either burned himself or saw someone badly burned... and thats why I understand if he doesnt want to do it himself.. but everything in life has risks.. one could have had a car accident and then decide never again to drive, but he should also comprehend if other people still want to use cars, as long as they do it safely...
Sodium hydroxide is easily found in many places, and it works perfectly for STB (which is maybe the most used process around), so... as long as people are really careful, seems fine to me. Where SWIM is living now for example he still didnt find any other base apart from lye and sodium carbonate, and the lye is even food grade. But yes def always handling with great care.
Sodium hydroxide is easily found in many places, and it works perfectly for STB (which is maybe the most used process around), so... as long as people are really careful, seems fine to me. Where SWIM is living now for example he still didnt find any other base apart from lye and sodium carbonate, and the lye is even food grade. But yes def always handling with great care.
69ron
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SWIM saw an LSD chemist spill some concentrated lye on his hand accidentally. It was horrible. It burned really fast and left a huge scar.
I don't understand why people want to use lye because its not needed. For STB techs calcium hydroxide works really well. You just need to learn how to use it. For A/B techs sodium carbonate and ammonia also work really well. Ammonia is actually preferred by a lot of the pros. SWIM gets fantastic yields from chacruna and chaliponga using sodium carbonate, and now uses calcium hydroxide for all his cactus STBs.
When there are safer alternatives to lye that work really well, it just doesn't make sense that people prefer something more dangerous.
I don't understand why people want to use lye because its not needed. For STB techs calcium hydroxide works really well. You just need to learn how to use it. For A/B techs sodium carbonate and ammonia also work really well. Ammonia is actually preferred by a lot of the pros. SWIM gets fantastic yields from chacruna and chaliponga using sodium carbonate, and now uses calcium hydroxide for all his cactus STBs.
When there are safer alternatives to lye that work really well, it just doesn't make sense that people prefer something more dangerous.
VisualDistortion
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I feel pretty safe when I use. I wear a lab coat, glasses, face shield, and wear gloves. And I have an open bottle of vinegar very close to where I am working.
justin4529
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Can someone please elaborate on the practicallity and effectivness of using amonnia as your base in a STB tek? Ron says most of the pros use it, and Ron DOES seem to know his stuff. It just dosnt seem to add though that if ammonia works just as well, and can be bought in most ANY supermarket, and isnt monitored by many DEA agecies like sodium hydroxide is, why there is even a debate on using other bases. Surely there must be some drawbacks?
69ron
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SWIM did DMT extraction tests with chacruna using a standard A/B and found that ammonia works just as well as sodium hydroxide, calcium hydroxide, and sodium carbonate. SWIM saw absolutely no change in yield among any of these bases. None at all.
A lot of SWIMs claim ammonia doesn't work as well as sodium hydroxide does specifically for DMT extraction from MIMOSA. SWIM did not do a thorough base extraction test on mimosa using all these different bases. Maybe mimosa is some how unique and for it sodium hydroxide works better? I'm not really sure. SWIM would need to run tests to see if this is just an internet rumor or factual.
As is it, pretty much all the reports of DMT quantity in mimosa that you see in print from various authors were initially extracted using ammonia as the base in an A/B. That's the standard for alkaloid extraction. The other common base is sodium carbonate. Many alkaloids are destroyed at pH 12 and above, so by using ammonia or sodium carbonate, you ensure that no alkaloids are destroyed.
Sodium hydroxide is rarely ever used for alkaloid field tests because it's a strong base and known to easily destroy some alkaloids (like bufotenine, psilocin, psilocybin, etc.), thereby ruining a field test's accuracy. Because of that, people doing field tests for alkaloids rarely ever use it.
A lot of SWIMs claim ammonia doesn't work as well as sodium hydroxide does specifically for DMT extraction from MIMOSA. SWIM did not do a thorough base extraction test on mimosa using all these different bases. Maybe mimosa is some how unique and for it sodium hydroxide works better? I'm not really sure. SWIM would need to run tests to see if this is just an internet rumor or factual.
As is it, pretty much all the reports of DMT quantity in mimosa that you see in print from various authors were initially extracted using ammonia as the base in an A/B. That's the standard for alkaloid extraction. The other common base is sodium carbonate. Many alkaloids are destroyed at pH 12 and above, so by using ammonia or sodium carbonate, you ensure that no alkaloids are destroyed.
Sodium hydroxide is rarely ever used for alkaloid field tests because it's a strong base and known to easily destroy some alkaloids (like bufotenine, psilocin, psilocybin, etc.), thereby ruining a field test's accuracy. Because of that, people doing field tests for alkaloids rarely ever use it.
