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Low Dose DMT, High Dose Harmala Thread

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Thought it would be a good idea to make a thread that was all things "low dose DMT and high dose harmala" related. A few of us had been discussing in another thread the powerful yet subtle impacts of harmalas on their own, and in our musings, also reflected on how many Ayahusceros consider the harmala containing plant to be the main medicinal plant between the two [DMT containing plant].

So feel free to share your preferred ROA's, preferred dosages, benefits you've observed, experience reports, etc.

Here's my report.

Early in the day, I had thought I was going to do a little K with some cannabis and possibly low dose DMT. However, after discussin changa in another thread and noting the benefits of harmalas, I opted for a harmala and cannabis meditation instead.

I was thinking about DMT just after taking my first several hits from the bong. In my rumination, I thought that it's actually good to smoalk on impulse, because those are the times that are the easiest to move passed any fear, preflight jitters, or apprehension. The more one does this, the more they can really focus on the transition into the space when pursuing and impulse than when they may, say, plan it, and have a hard time moving into it; just making the choice. I even made sure to write this insight down so I can remember it.

That being said, I smoalked a little, maybe 5mg. I have a bong that is sandwich-packed with cannabis and DMT. I keep 10mg in it, and smoalked maybe half the bowl over several hits. I've learned it's a bit easier to ease in with the DMT when the harmala dose is really high, in this case 45mg of "full-spectrum" rue extract.

It was visual, but subtly so, in this odd way, where I could pick up plenty of detail, yet it wasn't vivid at all. For this experience, I'm thankful for this because I saw things I'd rather not have seen.

Wherever I was moving through, it was dark, in a negative way. In a way that makes you feel sick. It was still very symbolic, in this case, symbolic of the darker aspects of reality... It's a little funny, after I took the first two hits of the bowl with DMT, I remember thinking that I for some reason love to torture myself. Then I had this experience. I chose to stick with it, steeling myself against it, while surrendering to it, allowing it to be what it was while maintaining my stillness and equanimity. I wanted to open my eyes many times, but just reminded myself to stick with it, searching deep within myself to muster the strength. I was nauseated by certain visions, or subsequent thoughts after others. There were accompanying heavy full-body discharges throughout as well.

Now, music is it's own kind of guide in these spaces. Something most of us are aware of. The album I selected and wanted to explore because I find it very interesting (will post below), starts out in a "dark" way, with deep low, slow tones, peculiar timing, and certain odd sounds. It's a fascinating soundscape to me. One of the songs was part of a purge in a recent journey with changa in the GVG.

Towards the end of the album, the vibe and tone shifts and is more uplifting, and I was able to ride out the come down, sitting calmly and relaxed at my altar. It ended well, leaving me feeling resilient and balanced. It was eye-opening in more than one way.

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For me DMT on it's own is too fast, too wtf just happened. If I smoke DMT I use my Yocan Uni PRO and I would never not use harmalas- it would be an absolute waste of good DMT imo. On it's own it's not super strong, once you throw 2-4g of rue in there or caapi tea..well, it is perfect. Comes on smoother, slower and yet seemingly, most of the time, stronger. It lasts longer, one small toke can last 20-40 minutes. Bigger tokes last longer. The afterglow is more pronounced and longer. I usually find the experience more grounded, even though it can get very deep at the same time, more personally meaningful. In my opinion, it is superior in every way.

I have tried it with sublingual extracted rue harmalas and rue ground up in capsules. I personally prefer the ground up rue capsules and I will usually take 3-4g. This is quite a pronounced rue experience. The experience reminds me of Ayahuasca and yet distinct as well. I think overall I prefer ayahuasca, while you go deeper into DMT realms with smoked something feels more personally medicinal in Ayahuasca, there are many factors which may affect this though. This has been the case even with high dose sublingual/tea and smoking. Maybe it has to do with the duration, something emerges in prolonged stays in the space that just cannot manifest in shorter lengths. I'm still exploring smoked spice more though.

I cannot recommend enough that if you smoke spice you should add some harmala to the mix, and a decent amount at that and start with a tiny amount of spice. I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised. How exactly you will find out :D
 
I forgot to add to the above another perk, you can spend multiple minutes cruising in to where you need to be. DMT by itself I experience has needing to get as much in the first hit as I can, subsequent hits don't hit the same. With harmalas I can just keep taking toke after toke until I am where I want to be.
 
It depends on my mood how I want to journey. Sometimes I still like freebase, but often prefer something a little less jarring.

I have yet to try the sublingual route. Because I have so much freebase harmalas, and tend to feel short on time, I often opt for smoalking them.

My first time doing low dose DMT with high dose harmals was actually after drinking 5g of rue tea, and that's when the importance first hit me.

And yeah, I blasted myself way to far one time a while ago by taking a big hit while on harmalas and got rocked. I tend to just ease in now. The DMT has a clear compounding effect in this way which is nice. Takes the pressure out of smoalking.

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Sublingual is great. You really don't need much and it doesn't last as long as oral but still lasts a good few hours.

I feel it should be noted that crushed seed capsules are stronger by weight than tea imo/ime. 4g capsules feels like 5g tea or maybe a bit stronger. I haven't done strict testing on this though so it's very much anecdotal. It is something worth noting for those interested in exploring harmalas spaces with DMT.

Also if someone is new to harmalas I would recommend taking them alone first, even just once. They're quite altering on their own and promote a powerful kind of presence.
 
Yeah, I think one only needs like 30mg sublingual.

How do crush seeds feel on your gut?

I tell people the same thing. There are a few facets of harmalas that are important to acclimate to before going all in with DMT.

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I was thinking about DMT just after taking my first several hits from the bong. In my rumination, I thought that it's actually good to smoalk on impulse, because those are the times that are the easiest to move passed any fear, preflight jitters, or apprehension. The more one does this, the more they can really focus on the transition into the space when pursuing and impulse than when they may, say, plan it, and have a hard time moving into it; just making the choice. I even made sure to write this insight down so I can remember it.
This really resonates, with me having the same experience, sometimes it just feels like I’m being pulled into taking more, at these times there’s no fear just the pulling of the magic.

As to the subject of the thread I do like the combination of a high dose of harmalas, it centers me and gives me some time to ease into the process. I like to take a tiny spoon of harmalas Hcl in my mouth and then just whisk it around for ten minutes. When I’m at the place I want to be I swallow the rest. The whole ritual sets me up for exploring hyperspace if I feel like it, if not, that’s fine too.
 
I personally don't experience anything gut wise from the crushed seeds, just a strong harmala space which lasts for me a very long time ie - 24 hours I feel harmalas effects in total I would say, which I don't think is usual. I have seen some mention of people experiencing nausea from harmalas which, other than in Ayahuasca dreams, I have never experienced from taking them alone or vaporhuasca style. In Aya though whewww, I never knew I could purge like that!

Yes, acclimatizing to the harmalas seems important to me. At first I felt absolutely floored by the experience lol, I wouldn't have dreamed of adding spice to the mix, oh my lord...:D You also don't need to go with 3-4g of crushed seeds, 2g has also worked well for me to experience harmala potentiation but I prefer stronger harmalas doses.

I do really need to experiment with smoked. I've never smoked more than caapi leaf and that was very mild for me, it did slightly lengthen spice though.
 
@Varollo I'm learning to listen and allow myself more instead of holding myself back. A work in progress. :)

I think I'm at the point where I need to just be okay with pretty much always easing in. Part of me wants to journey like I did back in my 20s.

@TheAwakening Do you find that such a long duration is inebriating at all? Harmalas alone have made me purge as well as the smoalked combo with DMT. It used to happen like clockwork, but now it's a more sparse occurrence. I think I may be passed the point of having to consistently be concerned about it, even with oral consumption.

The first time I drank 5g I got rocked, purged and all and had to lay down for the remainder of the experience. Definitely taught me a lesson.

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@TheAwakening Do you find that such a long duration is inebriating at all? Harmalas alone have made me purge as well as the smoalked combo with DMT. It used to happen like clockwork, but now it's a more sparse occurrence. I think I may be passed the point of having to consistently be concerned about it, even with oral consumption.

The first time I drank 5g I got rocked, purged and all and had to lay down for the remainder of the experience. Definitely taught me a lesson.

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I'm not sure I entirely understand what you're asking. Do I find such a long duration of inebriation incapacitating? 4gs and I'm pretty under the influence, occasionally there's dizziness for the first 0.5-2 hours when taking them by themselves. I'm not usually up and about too much with ayahuasca or vaporhuasca use but definitely there is something to be said about getting your "sea legs" :D it varies though, sometimes I don't notice anything but the psychoactive sight/sound enhancement and deep presence.


Maybe by the time I got to really diving in with harmalas with vaped DMT I had already acclimatized from Ayahuasca use?

PS: also a proud member of the easing in crowd.
 
I started out with freebase, then made some changa which I really enjoyed, but now I discovered that rue tea followed by a bit of changa is my favorite so far.

I use 3,5 gram of whole rue seeds, do a 3x boil in plain water for 15 minutes each boils, reduce a bit and drink the tea.
Then I wait for about 45 minutes and smoke just a tiny bit of changa (about 25mg which should contain about 10mg of DMT).

When I first tried that I was surprised how effective it is and how much the harmalas potentiated the effects of the DMT. If I would have smoked/vaped more I would have overshot my goal by far.

I really enjoy the fact that I still have time to put down my bong, lean back and relax, before the effects slowly unfold. It's still very intense, but I like to observe the change from one state of mind into the other and that's difficult for me to do with freebase alone.

The peak experience itself doesn't last much longer maybe 15-20 minutes, but there's a nice afterglow that lasts for about an hour.
9 out of 10 times I wouldn't get nauseous using this ROA.
 
I think I'm at the point where I need to just be okay with pretty much always easing in. Part of me wants to journey like I did back in my 20s.


I remember the feeling, for me the first year I was just blasting off whenever I felt like it with no regard whatsoever. This ended of course with a horrible series of trips that took some serious integration. From then on I couldn’t be so free with my use and thought it would be like that forever. Until after a long break of several months I suddenly had the feeling of that first year back. Like meeting up with an old love, so far I’ve had this rekindling twice. Both after a longer break where I also changed my normal live in a significant way.
The rest of the time I have to take a more serious approach and ease into the experience and take care not to overdo it. So maybe I’m trying to say that I think that there’s a good chance that time might come back for you to.

Take care
 
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