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LSA and limonene
- Thread starter PlainCoil
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PlainCoil said:
While SWIM annoyingly threw out 50 HBWR when I was very annoyed with the mass-sedation, annoying-nausea a mild trippiness of LSA. Once ingesting 3.5g kola nut he experience an AMAZING stimulated synergy with slight visual too.
While he regrets flushing his HBWR he still has 50g of heavenly blues which he might be able to try... they are just sitting there.
SWIM has tried naptha-wash acetone extractions and got poor effeciency although no nausea.
Either way, what would SWIY say, just mix the seed powder with some sodium carbonate or lime
Soak w/ limonene and salt out with vinegar?
SWIM is drained from a full pharma breakthough so it will probably be a week or two before the test.
Would ever LSA withstand the high pH of a sodium carbonate or calcium hydroxide paste?
SWIM doubts it. LSA just like LSD is a very sensitive molecule. SWIM would not leave it in a pH of over 10 for more than 10-20 min.
SWIM doubts it. LSA just like LSD is a very sensitive molecule. SWIM would not leave it in a pH of over 10 for more than 10-20 min.
69ron
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SWIM has performed an A/B extraction on them both using DCM, which works, but never took the pH very high. I don't recall off hand what the pH was, but it was surely under pH 10...I think 8.5, but I'm not sure.
You’ll want to rapidly get the LSA/LSH to the non-polar solvent ASAP.
A/B techs don’t get great yields. Even with DCM, the LSA prefers the water, so you need many extractions with the DCM, at least 10 to get most of the LSA. LSA is highly water soluble, doesn’t like heat, and doesn’t like high pH.
Yields from all the A/B extractions SWIM did only got about 1/3 of the alkaloids in the seeds. I believe the rest was destroyed in the process. But even so, it’s worth it. The results are much better on the stomach than using the raw seeds.
I think LSA will be very poorly soluble in d-limonene. LSH is probably more soluble in d-limonene.
You’ll want to rapidly get the LSA/LSH to the non-polar solvent ASAP.
A/B techs don’t get great yields. Even with DCM, the LSA prefers the water, so you need many extractions with the DCM, at least 10 to get most of the LSA. LSA is highly water soluble, doesn’t like heat, and doesn’t like high pH.
Yields from all the A/B extractions SWIM did only got about 1/3 of the alkaloids in the seeds. I believe the rest was destroyed in the process. But even so, it’s worth it. The results are much better on the stomach than using the raw seeds.
I think LSA will be very poorly soluble in d-limonene. LSH is probably more soluble in d-limonene.
SWIM was thinking and maybe just doing a simple variation of the cold water extraction could work.
SWIM tried this with cloves and though the high was lame, it worked very efficiently. He's going to try the same with turmeric, he knows turmeric is a nice mild high with many possible potentiations.
Anyway it is very simple and non toxic.
Just soak the seeds in vegetable oil for a while, vegetable oil is only slightly more polar than d-limonene so it hopefully wouldn't pick up much LSA if any.
Pour off the oil, maybe squeeze it out a bit. Then add some cold water. mix and let sit for a while.
The mix them can be filtered, probably using a metal sifter and a french press would work best. Pour through the mesh to catch most of the gunk, then use the french press to filter the rest.
Use a seperatory funnel, plastic bag, baster whatever you like for seperating liquid, keep the water and you have your brew. Hopefully with all of the LSA and much fewer toxins.
It's a theory...
SWIM tried this with cloves and though the high was lame, it worked very efficiently. He's going to try the same with turmeric, he knows turmeric is a nice mild high with many possible potentiations.
Anyway it is very simple and non toxic.
Just soak the seeds in vegetable oil for a while, vegetable oil is only slightly more polar than d-limonene so it hopefully wouldn't pick up much LSA if any.
Pour off the oil, maybe squeeze it out a bit. Then add some cold water. mix and let sit for a while.
The mix them can be filtered, probably using a metal sifter and a french press would work best. Pour through the mesh to catch most of the gunk, then use the french press to filter the rest.
Use a seperatory funnel, plastic bag, baster whatever you like for seperating liquid, keep the water and you have your brew. Hopefully with all of the LSA and much fewer toxins.
It's a theory...
PlainCoil
Rising Star
Just to give this thread a little bit of closure:
SWIM reports back that the morning glory tincture is good. He even believes that adding peppermint oil successfully converted the batch.
He ground up 50g of heavenly blues, then sifted the chunky powder through a metal screen (tea strainer) to obtain 20g of fine powder. This powder has, in the past, been pretty strong to SWIM at doses of ~2 grams raw.
He added everclear (and a little bit of vitamin C), shook, and left in the freezer in a sealed jar with foil covering it for several hours. Filtered and added more alcohol to seed mush for a second wash left to sit overnight. Filtered, combined extractions and evaporated until it would fit into a dropper bottle. A dropper of peppermint oil was added, along with a dropper of vitamin C water. A white substance present throughout the process would not dissolve in the alcohol, settled out in the freezer, and passed easily through the coffee filter, and still contaminates SWIM's product.
There were 50 droppers in the bottle, so SWIM used 5 droppers to test out the tincture. Success. No tired period during the first three hours. Kicked in after 2 and a half. Pretty mild experience, but definitely not sedating and pretty psychedelic and stimulating.
SWIM is combining with cannabis though.
SWIM reports back that the morning glory tincture is good. He even believes that adding peppermint oil successfully converted the batch.
He ground up 50g of heavenly blues, then sifted the chunky powder through a metal screen (tea strainer) to obtain 20g of fine powder. This powder has, in the past, been pretty strong to SWIM at doses of ~2 grams raw.
He added everclear (and a little bit of vitamin C), shook, and left in the freezer in a sealed jar with foil covering it for several hours. Filtered and added more alcohol to seed mush for a second wash left to sit overnight. Filtered, combined extractions and evaporated until it would fit into a dropper bottle. A dropper of peppermint oil was added, along with a dropper of vitamin C water. A white substance present throughout the process would not dissolve in the alcohol, settled out in the freezer, and passed easily through the coffee filter, and still contaminates SWIM's product.
There were 50 droppers in the bottle, so SWIM used 5 droppers to test out the tincture. Success. No tired period during the first three hours. Kicked in after 2 and a half. Pretty mild experience, but definitely not sedating and pretty psychedelic and stimulating.
SWIM is combining with cannabis though.
69ron
Esteemed member
PlainCoil said:
When the LSA to LSH conversion works, its very noticeable. It's like night and day.
SWIM has an LSA tincture that is many years old and it still works very well. But he always performs the LSA to LSH trick on it before use. He’s never tried making a tincture with the acetaldehyde in the tincture before.
I'm curious if your tincture will keep it's stimulating qualities over time or if the LSH will decompose into LSA in the tincture. I don’t see how the LSH would decompose into LSA with the presence of acetaldehyde from the peppermint oil, but you never know.
PlainCoil said:
what is SWIY's normal dose? SWIM has tried an over-night cold-water soak of 10g of heavenly blues, no light or heat touched it and it gave mild mild effects, akin to a sedative maybe 1/4 tab LSD. SWIM thought Cold-water extraction was the MOST efficient (though more toxin-containing) method.
PlainCoil
Rising Star
SWIM used to take morning glories pretty often in his pre kitchen chemistry days, and eventually developed a method that used dry seeds.
Of course taking the seeds as is is pretty difficult, and will only be left for the truly brave explorers, so SWIM tried many methods to reduce the nausea, stomach pain, vasoconstriction and sedation that accompanies the pretty mild psychedelia of the heavenly blues. He settled on a method of sifting the freshly ground seed powder through a fine metal tea strainer, collecting the morning glory 'kief' and dosing that out at 2 grams. The powder can be shoved into 4 capsules, and is equivalent to about one hit of acid.
Vasoconstriction and mild nausea are quite present on this powder, but SWIM never experienced stomach pain. It is pretty sedative, but very psychedelic as well. The effects seem to be somewhat stronger than with a cold water extraction, or any extraction SWIM has tried. The effects of this seed powder alone, used merely in combination with cannabis, has led to some very interesting places comparable to mushrooms.
Perhaps one could try a CWE on this sifted powder. Sifting the seeds definitely removes some of the unpleasant effects of eating the seeds alone.
SWIM also used to combine this raw seed powder with syrian rue seeds that had been processed the same way. Syrian rue drastically increases the psychedelic effects of morning glories, and makes the negative effects much less noticeable and more tolerable to SWIM. This was many years ago, though, and SWIM thinks he would probably vomit this concoction up within minutes if he tried it again.
Of course taking the seeds as is is pretty difficult, and will only be left for the truly brave explorers, so SWIM tried many methods to reduce the nausea, stomach pain, vasoconstriction and sedation that accompanies the pretty mild psychedelia of the heavenly blues. He settled on a method of sifting the freshly ground seed powder through a fine metal tea strainer, collecting the morning glory 'kief' and dosing that out at 2 grams. The powder can be shoved into 4 capsules, and is equivalent to about one hit of acid.
Vasoconstriction and mild nausea are quite present on this powder, but SWIM never experienced stomach pain. It is pretty sedative, but very psychedelic as well. The effects seem to be somewhat stronger than with a cold water extraction, or any extraction SWIM has tried. The effects of this seed powder alone, used merely in combination with cannabis, has led to some very interesting places comparable to mushrooms.
Perhaps one could try a CWE on this sifted powder. Sifting the seeds definitely removes some of the unpleasant effects of eating the seeds alone.
SWIM also used to combine this raw seed powder with syrian rue seeds that had been processed the same way. Syrian rue drastically increases the psychedelic effects of morning glories, and makes the negative effects much less noticeable and more tolerable to SWIM. This was many years ago, though, and SWIM thinks he would probably vomit this concoction up within minutes if he tried it again.