LSD and DMT

[DMiTria]

Hello Nexians,

First off I didn't know where to post this since it is discussing both LSD and DMT, so I put it in this section. I am curious about taking 6 hits of LSD and vaporizing DMT at the peak of the LSD Trip. Terence McKenna definitely inspired this for me and at the same time I am really nervous just because of the intensity of DMT by itself. I also am going to try a LSD, Cyanescens mix because for me LSD just has this vibration that isn't really a body high and with Cyanescens it's the opposite, for me. LSD, for me, is more of a visual trip and Cyanescens are more of a Body trip so I figure if I mix the two it will be the best of both worlds. Also LSD, for me, doesn't really have a Mind of it's own where as Cyanescens is a interactive spirit. Does anyone have any experiences with these types of Journeys. I would be interested in knowing others input on these ideas?

P.S. Does the LSD extend the life of the DMT and also the Mushroom mix?

 

[DmnStr8]

I have done this twice. I took five hits of LSD and smoked freebase DMT at peak and twice when coming down from the trip. I would have to say that the DMT at peak was the most intense. When I returned from my DMT journey I was still tripping very hard and the DMT journey seemed to linger in my trippy head. I also felt amazing. Just at awe with all that was going on. It was very intense but so worth it.

The times I smoked when coming down from the LSD trip was not as intense but it had a certain mellow quality to it. I was relaxed and in a great state of mind after tripping LSD. I always feel great after LSD. Pumped up and charged up!

I highly recommend that you go ahead and go with your plan. I am jealous as I would love to be doing that at this very moment. I will most certainly be repeating the combo.

P.S. I will be trying mushrooms and DMT soon. I'll certainly let ya know how that goes.

:thumb_up:

 

[corpus callosum]

In the interests of harm reduction/avoidance may I add that:

1.Make sure your LSD is actually that;

2.Know the strength of your tabs (probably best via direct experience) as 5-6 hits of a well-laden blotter could give the user much more than they bargained for.

 

[DreaMTripper]

It is an interesting combination thats for sure, I smoked some on the come up and the visuals doubled in size, while previously I was seeing small letters engraved everywhere they then became huge! It also seemed to centre me nicely the acid manic fuzz of thoughts became a grounded monologue revelling in the experience, like driving a motorbike then straight after a steady ford focus.

Mushrooms and DMT was thinking I could see the fabric of spacetime when I was watching aircraft slice through it.
Im not so sure about stoned ape theory after this, its easy to go from highly perceptive hunter gatherer to on his back what the fuck is the universe?? I would imagine with no cultural or societal dogma such as the war and drugs or prohibition they would have munched those plants and shrooms they discovered with enthusiastic vigour in order to meet these otherworldly beings from fuck knows where and the ability to function and therefore reproduce was no doubt limited :d

 

[joedirt]

Hello Nexians,

First off I didn't know where to post this since it is discussing both LSD and DMT, so I put it in this section. I am curious about taking 6 hits of LSD and vaporizing DMT at the peak of the LSD Trip. Terence McKenna definitely inspired this for me and at the same time I am really nervous just because of the intensity of DMT by itself. I also am going to try a LSD, Cyanescens mix because for me LSD just has this vibration that isn't really a body high and with Cyanescens it's the opposite, for me. LSD, for me, is more of a visual trip and Cyanescens are more of a Body trip so I figure if I mix the two it will be the best of both worlds. Also LSD, for me, doesn't really have a Mind of it's own where as Cyanescens is a interactive spirit. Does anyone have any experiences with these types of Journeys. I would be interested in knowing others input on these ideas?

P.S. Does the LSD extend the life of the DMT and also the Mushroom mix?

Actually doing DMT on LSD is an easier experience. That is assuming you are feeling fantastic on the LSD... I have only done it once (well past the peak) and found that it provides a nice launching platform to both jump from and return to. I have only done it once however..

I am curious why you feel the need to drop 6 hits of acid and then do DMT at the peak.. 6 hits of good acid (100ugs hits) would put almost anyone into LSD's version of hyperspace already and likely induce an experience that will last 16-24 hours.

Remember this.. DMT can take you ALL the way on it's own.. no reason to try and time the exact peak hoping that you can go further.. wait until you are in a nice comfortable afterglow and do it is my honest advice...

 

[DeeMenTalist]

Actually doing DMT on LSD is an easier experience.

Second that. There is no anxiousness and whatsoever... So easy and smooth experience. Of coarse if you don`t have hard times on lucy at this moment. Also highly recommend to smoalk on peak of lsd trip. In my first LSDMT i dropped ~400ug of high quality lsd and smoalked on peak of that trip. Maaan it was most profound experience that i ever had.:shock: :thumb_up: Another time i dropped something in 250ug range and smoalked multiple times, maybe 4 or 5 times. On peak and during coming down. There is possible little anxiousness if you are blasting off on coming down but not a big deal... Anyway... Do it man! You won`t regret.:d

 

[○]

LSD and DMT was and still is one of the most profound combinatory experiences i've experienced, possibly verging on the most profound experience to date (and I don't mean 'most intense).

I agree with joedirt completely. I've taken a hit of LSD and smoked a couple stiff hits right after the peak. I remember looking over at the changa pipe on the table, thinking "..I'll smoke this now"; no trepidation, anxiousness, nervousness, etc whatsoever. Honestly, already being neck deep in the LSD experience, the thought of smoking the changa was akin to me picking up a pipe of weed to smoke; no second-guessing at all. The visual intensity of this combination is beyond stunning, beyond jaw-dropping, yet all the while completely manageable, both mentally and physically. At no point was I worried.

I agree with joedirt also regarding those dosing combinations. I mean, it's your body and mind, which you know it best, but you could potentially be biting off more than you can chew, imho. Either way, hope it all unravels smoothly for you.

 

[DisEmboDied]

I took a huge drop of pure LSD once, I'm sure it equally at least 5 "hits", and planned on smoking DMT at the peak, but once the peak came around, I was already maxed out, I couldn't do it, I was just already maxed completely out. I did smoke some about 5 hours later, and it was very, very enjoyable, no stress involved. I say just see how you feel. I had it all set up right there for me but couldn't. Plan for it, but you will just have to see, there is only one way to find out.

I am also jealous, wish I had the time to do that these days!...

 

[DMiTria]

I am actually stepping back from my regular doses of 10-12 hits which, yes at that dose I am already in the LSD Hyperspace. The other weekend I smoked about 60-70mg of DMT freebase out of a meth bong and I have got to say that that was the most intense I've ever experienced with smoking DMT. Before it was just a marihuana pipe and those were so hit or miss kind of experiences. When I tried the meth bong for the first time it was like my first experience all over again, full breakthrough. I will probably step back the DMT to like 30-40mgs but this is DMT fumarate but I don't know if that makes a difference.

 

[concombres]

I am actually stepping back from my regular doses of 10-12 hits which, yes at that dose I am already in the LSD Hyperspace. The other weekend I smoked about 60-70mg of DMT freebase out of a meth bong and I have got to say that that was the most intense I've ever experienced with smoking DMT. Before it was just a marihuana pipe and those were so hit or miss kind of experiences. When I tried the meth bong for the first time it was like my first experience all over again, full breakthrough. I will probably step back the DMT to like 30-40mgs but this is DMT fumarate but I don't know if that makes a difference.

Either tolerance is at play very strongly, or your lsd is extremely weak.
3 tabs of lsd as of the last few years has proven to be breakthrough territory for everyone who i have taken lsd with who hasn't been building ridiculous tolerance by dosing too frequently. This has all been from batches confirmed to be lsd through reagent & lab tests.

As for dmt fumarate, convert it to freebase before smoking. Its easy.

Maybe wait for tolerance to drop for a few months if you require a 10strip to get to the otherside.

 

[DMiTria]

It is good, not as strong as the last batch I had but I like it to be really intense like borderline insane. For me it has to be high doses because I get those ground breaking experiences that way. I dose lower if I'm hosting a Ceremony for other people but generally I like Strong experiences. 3 hits get me there but I like it when I get fully immersed visuals.

P.S. My friend told me to get Syrian Rue to extract the Harmaline so that I can get those high dose experiences with just one hit.

 

[Psybin]

I am actually stepping back from my regular doses of 10-12 hits which, yes at that dose I am already in the LSD Hyperspace. The other weekend I smoked about 60-70mg of DMT freebase out of a meth bong and I have got to say that that was the most intense I've ever experienced with smoking DMT. Before it was just a marihuana pipe and those were so hit or miss kind of experiences. When I tried the meth bong for the first time it was like my first experience all over again, full breakthrough. I will probably step back the DMT to like 30-40mgs but this is DMT fumarate but I don't know if that makes a difference.

Either tolerance is at play very strongly, or your lsd is extremely weak.
3 tabs of lsd as of the last few years has proven to be breakthrough territory for everyone who i have taken lsd with who hasn't been building ridiculous tolerance by dosing too frequently. This has all been from batches confirmed to be lsd through reagent & lab tests.

As for dmt fumarate, convert it to freebase before smoking. Its easy.

Maybe wait for tolerance to drop for a few months if you require a 10strip to get to the otherside.

To be fair, some people really do take >10 hits of really bomb LSD. I would consider myself one of those people. I've recently had some extremely clean reagent tested LSD and while 300ug is an intense and enlightening experience, I also liked taking 1000ug and, on one occasion, (accidentally) 1800ug. Such doses are life changing but not unmanageable.

Just throwing that out there, though I understand and agree with the point you were making. Often times high dosage is compensating for low purity or other characteristics, however high dosage in and of itself is perfectly alright when done safely.

EDIT: @DMiTria, using MAOIs with LSD is quite the ride! I recommend it! :thumb_up:

 

[Panpsychic]

LSD and DMT was and still is one of the most profound combinatory experiences i've experienced, possibly verging on the most profound experience to date (and I don't mean 'most intense).

I agree that this combination is worthy of a lot more exploration and seems to be surprisingly a rare venture in psychonautics.

I agree with joedirt completely. I've taken a hit of LSD and smoked a couple stiff hits right after the peak. I remember looking over at the changa pipe on the table, thinking "..I'll smoke this now"; no trepidation, anxiousness, nervousness, etc whatsoever. Honestly, already being neck deep in the LSD experience, the thought of smoking the changa was akin to me picking up a pipe of weed to smoke; no second-guessing at all.

I would agree that that is a benefit perhaps overlooked. If you struggle with preflight anxiety on DMT, just launch on psilocybin or LSD first and you should have no problems!

The visual intensity of this combination is beyond stunning, beyond jaw-dropping, yet all the while completely manageable, both mentally and physically. At no point was I worried.

I have done this twice, smoking changa near to the peak of LSD between 300 - 400ug.

The synergy is amazing.

One thing is, the DMT/Changa dose needs to be kept in the low-medium range otherwise it tends to override the LSD, at least at this dosage. Maybe acid at the 5-600ug range nothing overides it but that by itself is a difficult dose to handle so I cant think of smoking DMT on top of it.

As always when going into the high dose terrain or combinations, meditation will be your ally and allow you to go much further. Without skill in steadying your mind both inside and outside of tripping, you aren't going to get the most out of it and will be prone to losing your focus and sense of what is occurring.

The LSD world that opens up can be a pathway to divinity - the higher planes become translucent somewhat. That is after the 'purification' phase of cleansing ones self doubts and negativity.

I could see begin to see the karmic grid of ethical action and how it relates to ourselves and tesselates together woven within the fabric of time-space and circumstance. Nothing is 'accidental' in that sense, yet there is still free will and choice. Another paradox.

In terms of visuals, the morphing rainbow perception of LSD became augmented with the hypervivid high definition vision of the DMT resulting in an incredible level of visual acuity you cannot achieve without this combo I dont think. This relates not just to vision but kinesthetic and other sensations also.

It reminded me somewhat of a transcendent version of Dave McKean art


There is no doubt an ecstatic synergy where these two 'recognize' each other and work in a way to unfolding something special.

 

[universecannon]

The LSD/DMT (or better yet changa) experience is the most clear and coherent out of anything IME, once you can really relax into it. I don't see the need for a massive LSD dose though. 100-200ug is fine (though LSD potency is often vastly overestimated these days, so a true 100-200ug is stronger than most think)

 

[Panpsychic]

The LSD/DMT (or better yet changa) experience is the most clear and coherent out of anything IME, once you can really relax into it. I don't see the need for a massive LSD dose though. 100-200ug is fine (though LSD potency is often vastly overestimated these days, so a true 100-200ug is stronger than most think)

I think for most, its more a case of they may be on an LSD trip and have some Changa/DMT available and decided to do it at the peak. Thats how it was for me, however it would be worth exploring this in deliberately dosing on acid with the intent of loading up on Changa intermittently throughout the trip.

300ug is my sweetspot for acid so I generally dont do less when I trip but I can see 200ug with smoking changa every so often throughout could be adequate as a launchpad and once one became more proficient in navigating it could increase dosage if you wanted.

 

[Pandora]

DMiTria,

I cannot comment on the LSD/Shrooms combo, but will piggy back on what others here are saying about LSDMT.

Absolutely there can be a weird sort of psychological tolerance that sets up with regular LSD dosing. One of my strongest personal LSD trips was on 2 tabs after a 7 year break. Holy crap LOL.

And for sure, always test your tabs. BunkPolice and others sell great end user kits that cannot tell you the dose but at least can tell if it really is LSD and Fentanyl tests can rule out Fent contamination. You cannot be too sure/safe in this era. You may trust the source but do you trust the sources' source and the source the source used? Even if you do, please always test the crap out of any new batch you receive.

Once the LSD trip is starting is a good time for the first DMT dose. And you will not fully come down because then the LSD trip will really be up and running. The peak of the LSD trip is also a fantastic time to take DMT doses. Insane stuff happens here and what's super cool is the stimulation of the acid works against the strong trance of the DMT so one can keep eyes open without difficulty. I've had rooms transform into insane vibrating Lego structures. I've had rooms transform as if they were designed by artists with names like Van Gough, Picasso and Matisse.. I've landed on an entity infested hyperfield of the DEAD that was a pure party and when I had the thought, "Well I guess something went wrong and I died. This is my life now. Hmm, I wonder if they have cats here," a fun, happy, orange entity danced up to me, opened his large purse, and out popped out a cat.

Also, as mentioned above, it sometimes works that once one is actually tripping, it gets easier to do the DMT, since one is already part of the way to where one is heading.

I do hope you will enjoy whatever journey you take and please do keep us posted.