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LSH / LSI doubts

FractAlien

FractAlien

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Hi guys

I have been extracting LSA from HBWR seeds with naphtha and grain alcohol for a few years now.

Now, I intend to try the controversial LSH/LSI, and for that I bought a cheap white wine and some essential oil of "peppermint". The essential oil I bought came with a GC-MS laboratory analysis, however, among the identified compounds I did not find anything that referred to isovaleraldehyde, or even acetaldehyde... is it possible that they are related among the minority or unidentified compounds? Or worse, that the oil does not have the compounds??

In any case, it is reported that the wine has some acetaldehyde, which could form LSH.

I extracted 7.32g of HBWR seeds, and ended up with approximately 210mg of extract (in fact I had an accident and lost more than half of the alcohol in a fall...).

I intend to make 7 doses of 30 mg (50 ml white wine) with the following scheme:
210 mg LSA EtOH
350 ml white wine
2 drops of peppermint essential oil
2 ml vinegar alcohol

All of this is stirred for 1 hour with a magnetic stirrer in an ice bath.

I have doubts about whether it would be possible to form LSI since I am not sure if my oil has the necessary aldehydes.

Another question is whether I would be able to form at least LSH by simply stirring with white wine and vinegar.

Any suggestions or tips would be very welcome. Thank you.
 

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Your doubts are completely justified. As far as i know, it has never been proven that either LSI or LSH can indeed be produced this way.
The natural LSH content of the seeds varies anyway, so everytime someone experienced LSD-like effects from these concoctions it might as well have been because the LSH was present in sufficient quantities anyway.
 
Yes, you hit the nail on the head.

I am very familiar with the effect of LSA. I have never had access to fresh seeds to compare.

I have everything in hand, I will test it anyway.
 
newusername1 said:
Your doubts are completely justified. As far as i know, it has never been proven that either LSI or LSH can indeed be produced this way.
The natural LSH content of the seeds varies anyway, so everytime someone experienced LSD-like effects from these concoctions it might as well have been because the LSH was present in sufficient quantities anyway.
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There are lots of people who swear they have had an LSD like experience. Probably enough to show there's something going on. Also enough negative reports to show that, at the least, it's not a dependable thing.

There do seem to be more positive reports as to very fresh or even immature (fresh) seeds.
 
I do have a question for the chemists here. Suppose one were to grow Morning Glory seeds and find that the fresh and/or immature seeds were much more desirable. And then one were to make a homogenous mixture which worked well. How would one go about preserving this alkaloid profile? The instability of the desirable alkaloids seems to be the biggest problem here. Freezing? Some type of salt?
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
I do have a question for the chemists here. Suppose one were to grow Morning Glory seeds and find that the fresh and/or immature seeds were much more desirable. And then one were to make a homogenous mixture which worked well. How would one go about preserving this alkaloid profile? The instability of the desirable alkaloids seems to be the biggest problem here. Freezing? Some type of salt?
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I'm most definitely not a chemist, but regarding the stability, LSD is most stable in form of tartrate salt. So I wouldn't be surprised that the ergot alkaloids in Morning Glory would be more stable in that form as well. But I would also appreciate what an actual chemist has to say about it.
 
I was reading a reddit thread on the question of LSH/LSI conversion which brought up an interesting thought. According to the poster, he had read a study that LSA actually diminished the effects of other psychedelics. I am kicking myself for not bookmarking the thread and I wish I could find such a study.

Anyway, his (and some others') theory is that it's possible that all the things people are doing to form adducts are actually just destroying LSA and allowing the other alkaloids to be more felt. That could explain the unpredictability and the reason why so many folks say it's "definitely different".

I've also read that iso-LSA might have more euphoric and less sedative effects.

Anyway, if anyone has ever read that LSA might diminish other psychedelics anywhere, I'd love to look into that.

I have a few Heavenly Blue plants going and I was thinking it might be nice to do a small amount of seeds to synergise other psychs while minimizing side effects. Anyone ever done that?
 
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