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MDMA Therapy Denied by FDA

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Not sure if it's already been posted about. I really don't have much to say at the moment other than it's incredibly sad and disappointing, especially considering that this really seemed to be the drug that we could be sure was going to make it through the trials and do it first. I had no question in my mind that it was going to succeed, but after decades of work, it didn't.

That's not to say it's the be-all end-all verdict for MDMA, but it's definitely a setback and unexpected blow not only for the chemical but for all the other psychedelics following in its footsteps, but I'm still intrigued to see how these efforts will move forward. Hopefully this is the first hit of the battering ram towards legal psychedelic therapy, and that further efforts will be able to really knock down the many barriers in the way of legalization. Either way, on the bright side, I think it's a testament to how far these efforts have actually come, and an incredible feat to have been able to make it to where we are now at all.
 
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Very sad indeed. A lot of the FDA's issues made no sense. The control group thing seemed completely non-sensical.. so.. because people knew that they were on MDMA means that the experiment can't be controlled? Well, this is going to apply to any potent psychoactive drug. Of course you will know your on MDMA when your the one given it. It seemed like the medicine's efficacy almost worked against its favour. This puts forth a defeating argument moving forward for any other potential psychedelic medicine.. as unless your control group is also given an equivalently potent psychoactive substance, then experiment apparently have no control.. and if another active substance is used, then the therapeutic effects are going to seem irrelevant if the other substance is also therapeutic in some way.

There's also been some very frustrating anti MAPS hysteria getting in the way of the psychedelic therapy movement lately and it saddens me deeply. In fact (I know it might not be a popular thing to say here) but I see the increasingly popular anti-corporadelic movement as a concerning roadblock to improving drug policy.. there's an all of nothing mindset that I see here and I think its going to really slow progress. Concerned that commodified psychedelics will restrict people's access to them? Let's stop for a second and consider the current alternative.. which is: not being allowed to take these medicines anyway.. potentially being locked in a cage for doing so.

I don't see that it can get any worse than it is now.. and there's a real opportunity for change here.

While I understand some of the concerns around patents, and the need for scrutiny in the therapeutic sector, the patent thing is hugely overblown, and any misconduct by employees of MAPS should be treated as it's own issue - not an issue with the drug itself. Psychedelic therapy is not perfect yet, and it never will be if it doesn't get some kind of legal go-ahead. Its just going to remain in it's primitive state.

Its a really complicated issue. I get the anti-corporadelic thing.. I really do. And the last thing I want to see is the sacred becoming commodified. But IMO the current situation is far more demonic than the proposed one.

Hope your well Flagella
 
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Yes this is a sad story, but it is not the end, mdma treatment is now allowed in Australia and there are many studies worldwide to see if (there’s growing evidence of positive outcomes) and how it’s working in therapy. At some point I think it will be impossible to not approve it and then it will become available in the US. Hopefully sooner than later.

acacian said:
There's also been some very frustrating anti MAPS hysteria getting in the way of the psychedelic therapy movement lately and it saddens me deeply. In fact (I know it might not be a popular thing to say here) but I see the increasingly popular anti-corporadelic movement as a concerning roadblock to improving drug policy.. there's an all of nothing mindset that I see here and I think its going to really slow progress. Concerned that commodified psychedelics will restrict people's access to them? Let's stop for a second and consider the current alternative.. which is: not being allowed to take these medicines anyway.. potentially being locked in a cage for doing so.
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I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment, people need to stop the paranoia and fear mongering it’s just not helping anyone. This whole support for traditional use and the idea that everything else is bad is annoying and stops the normalization of psychedelics. We need to stop people associating psychedelics with hippies and alternative medicine it harms any progress in legalizing therapies and puts any positive opinion at risk of being discredited based off these stereotypes.
 
acacian said:
Very sad indeed. A lot of the FDA's issues made no sense.

There's also been some very frustrating anti MAPS hysteria getting in the way of the psychedelic therapy movement lately and it saddens me deeply.
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Yeah, MAPS seems to be criticized from every possible angle whenever possible, for both valid and more debatable reasons. I think a lot of it comes from this view of MAPS as an organization and nothing more rather than a lot of people working together who are very passionate about this mission - people who will, of course, make mistakes, and no organization is without controversy.

There were some genuine criticisms of the Stage 3 trials, but even then it almost seems petty from the FDA with so much evidence already existing in favor of legalization.

I agree with you about the anti-corporadelic view. Many people seem content enough with the underground market in fear of what would happen with new laws in place, but it really seems like learned helplessness to me. People have gotten so used to the morally wrong way things are that they fear change, and all this in-fighting will only hold us back from making progress. Whatever route is taken will be a process, but you're right, many like to see the world in binary.

My hope is that this will be a learning experience to be built upon rather than discourage people, so I'm still very excited for the future :)
 
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What would the late Russell Means would have said about this?
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Well he was certainly no stranger to the denial of human rights and the fight for liberty. I don't know if he was familiar with MDMA, but with his track record I'm sure he would have agreed that this is a very persistent issue, and an issue which should never have existed in the first place :\

But the bright side is that there are people like him to speak out and work against it
 
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Who’s that and what are your thoughts?
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It is as it is
I am as I am
So I see and listen, further
Into the heart
and let love find a way
Like a river flowing
I do not criticize, resist, fight,
rocks in front of me,
I take the shape of them
and keep flowing

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For those advocates trying to legalize MDMA psychotherapy from within this system, if that is their calling then I respect and acknowledge that. Same for those invested in poisonous psychiatric neuron destroying meds for whatever reason - I respect and acknowledge that as well.
 
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